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[–] [email protected] 65 points 1 year ago (5 children)

It is! One of my best friends who became very vocal against drag queens reading to children and trans kids' rights has fallen into a deep rabbit hole of alt-right radical conspiracy bs on YouTube. He also started sharing toxic masculinity guru videos in our group chats and videos from Ben Shapiro and Jordan Peterson for example.

I tried to give him counter arguments with examples and other videos, but when searching for content on YouTube, I had difficulty finding anything because, most of the content when searching for certain keywords, was just videos of alt-right talking heads.

Social media companies like Facebook, Google, Twitter are pushing an alt-right conservative agenda and their conspiracies. It's pretty appalling.

[–] [email protected] 35 points 1 year ago

Social media companies like Facebook, Google, Twitter are pushing an alt-right conservative agenda and their conspiracies. It’s pretty appalling.

Not only pushing it, but targeting it with algorithms that are explicitly designed to take advantage of vulnerable minds. It's not only appalling, but unethical in every way.

[–] [email protected] 29 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Zoe Bee had a pretty good video on the Parents Rights stuff, too: https://youtu.be/mNOmFBw1I_M?si=btywuWSuG9ESJefB

And Shaun took on Andrew Tate recently: https://youtu.be/y6_TOFy3k6k?si=wFGX0fOYwinGLtRA

Shaun also has a notorious video discussing The Bell Curve, which is very, very good. The Bell Curve is a cornerstone of alt-right bullshit, since it's one of the foundational books for "scientific race realism": https://youtu.be/UBc7qBS1Ujo?si=YoqG8dJd9g4U8B5h

Here's Unlearning Economics taking on Jordan Peterson and his views on gender discrimination: https://youtu.be/LKc_8fT6pGc?si=px5EupxJ7w3hslTG

Shaun again, this time discussing PragerU: https://youtu.be/EM7BgrddY18?si=NhawD6OoYbwiPr2t

This one's less direct, but still actually relevant to toxic masculinity and conspiracy mindsets -- Thought Slime discussing Gary Vee: https://youtu.be/OVE8J8dwJ5E?si=7h5wEQPsjhMjBd63

Here's We're in Hell discussing toxic masculinity in North America: https://youtu.be/MsEmOQeBcRA?si=Vo5S_iDaXlCV6IR4

And getting a little more high level about things, here's Innuendo Studios (the Alt-Right Playbook guy) discussing the origin of conservatism: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E4CI2vk3ugk&t=333s which is itself an appendix to his Alt-Right Playbook episode, Always a Bigger Fish

These should give you at least a starting point, and help you build up a video history that will direct YT's recommendation engine away from the shit you're trying to counter.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago (3 children)

To add on to this already fabulous list:

F.D Signifier on Fresh and Fit being deplatformed. Also covers men who are talking about positive masculinity: https://youtu.be/NH4AGs7x6WY?si=adDALUGWmdrAy2pQ

F.D Signifier has lots of videos about toxic masculinity in the black community.

The Art of Manliness podcast: https://www.youtube.com/@artofmanliness/videos

Waving the Red Flag podcast: https://www.youtube.com/@WavingtheRedFlag/videos

Sisyphus 55's video "Journey into the Manosphere": https://youtu.be/lSq3bcyrJY0?si=z7T4ks7dza7EiF9Y

Munecat's video about debunking the entire manosphere: https://youtu.be/BgO25FTwfRI?si=rWfOS2A6roGNRMkw

The Zatzman's video "The Existential Horror of Manosphere TikTok": https://youtu.be/pvZITKjaffw?si=931ngUIafzFw7Ta8

Frank Landry's video "The Cult of Fresh and Fit": https://youtu.be/WBsCmYCShqI?si=KR5dGoRToShSyYFw

There is the Lemmy group, Men's Liberation which is focused on promoting positive masculinity and feminism together: https://lemmy.ca/c/mensliberation

There is Leeja Miller's video about the manosphere to alt-right pipeline starting https://youtu.be/U-V_xf2gAiI?si=oJ3BHVHXCbC0UQ6O

Meet the anti-Andrew Tates by Hannah Ewens: https://archive.ph/mNtAs

Jason Wilson: https://mrjasonwilson.com

Hopefully between this and the above comment, we can get your friend on the positive masculinity to progressive pipeline instead of listening to bunch of shit heads.

There is a lot of content out there to challenge the manosphere and it's grift.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

These are great, and well focused, too. I'd never heard of Fresh and Fit before, and this is a fascinating introduction to them.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Hi there! Looks like you linked to a Lemmy community using a URL instead of its name, which doesn't work well for people on different instances. Try fixing it like this: [email protected]

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago

Oh fuck! I'm saving this comment.

Thank you!!!

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

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[–] seaQueue 14 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

I don't have any particular advice for dealing with someone going down the nutjob rabbit hole but you might want to watch this: https://youtu.be/4xGawJIseNY?si=3wSkuLQIsi6PnPTT - it does the best job that I've seen of breaking down how and why people fall for that garbage.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

I already know without even clicking the link that this is The Alt Right Playbook. Excellent series, well worth watching in its entirety.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Here is an alternative Piped link(s):

https://piped.video/4xGawJIseNY?si=3wSkuLQIsi6PnPTT

Piped is a privacy-respecting open-source alternative frontend to YouTube.

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[–] cmbabul 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I don’t know off the top of my head if there’s an episode about parents rights but I bet Cody’s Showdy has something. I know there’s a dedicated Jordan Peterson video which is really quick and easy(it’s actually 3 hours long, but very good)

Edit: here’s their ep titled Who Are The Real Groomers which has some good stuff debunking anti trans rhetoric https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wHva3JXPh0

Edit2: And here’s the brief takedown of Jordan Balthazar Peterson https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hSNWkRw53Jo

Edit3: Cody, Katy, and Robert Evans have done a lot of work against the ‘manosphere’ and it’s worth digging through their backlogs

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Thank you. I'm saving this comment for later.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I read something recently that simply getting the person to stop consuming the stuff works well. Obviously there's a dopamine hit these things are giving (like most anything we watch) so that's much easier said than done. I wonder if suggesting you do a challenge together - uninstall/restrict apps for 30 days - and put something on the line like a case of beer.

It's difficult though, my mom and a brother both fell pretty hard into it (he even got into sovereign citizen stuff).

[–] Touching_Grass 20 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Isn't there a Playbook for how to destroy a country and its something like attack the pillars that democracy rests on.

Its something like judicial system, free press, education

If you look at what supports a Democratic system, every single one of them are targeted by either the right or the left. It's kind of crazy that I saw people who predicted this 15 years ago and now its clear as day.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

The pillar of democracy is participation. But I'm not sure anyone actually does that. At best they will participate in the representative hiring process, but even then they will 'forget' to actually talk to the person they hired afterwards, thinking the person is a mind reader or something.

[–] Touching_Grass 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

What's there to participate in if the country can't secure Democratic elections or if the people cant trust the elections are true or if the courts can't enforce the rules that keep the machine running or if the people lack any kind if shared knowledge that binds them so they are aware how the system runs.

Participation is important in Democratic countries but its not what makes democracy possible. Democracy is only possible when there are key things in place for it to rest on. Subversion is kicking those legs out from under it. Propaganda targets the civilians to do the kicking.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

What’s there to participate in if the country can’t secure Democratic elections

A representative democracy makes things easier, saving you the trip to Ottawa, but if you don't have trust in the representative then the people can make the trip themselves. You do not technically need a secure democratic election for a democracy to function. You do need people to exercise their democratic obligation, though.

But there is nothing to indicate that we manage that last bit, even with a representative system to make it easier. We, meaning a fraction of the population, just pick some dictatorial figurehead to make the decisions for us and then bitch and moan when they didn't read our minds properly. That is technically enabled by democracy, but totally misses the spirit of democracy.

[–] zepheriths 17 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Parents right like any right come with the responsibility of raising your child correctly. Which I can assure you none of these parents have any intention of doing, just homeschooling and let them watch YouTube kids

[–] Rukmer 5 points 1 year ago

I homeschool my kid (properly) for medical reasons, and I did not realize until I tried going to homeschool events how messed up the culture is. I'm in a purple state. It's so hard to find anyone who homeschools who isn't bigoted. There are a few, and I'm trying to cultivate relationships with them, but it's difficult when they're so few and far between. My county is liberal, but the city in the next county over would be a better fit if we could move or regularly travel an hour away. I don't want my kid around these bigoted parents. He has good friends who are in public school, but my kid is too young to go to school with his multiple medical conditions (especially considering I've personally seen these schools neglect medically fragile kids), so he mostly only gets to see his friends on the weekends.

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