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Hamas official says group is open to discussions over truce with Israel (www.reuters.com)

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[+] [email protected] 137 points 9 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (9 children)

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[–] [email protected] 38 points 9 months ago (4 children)

If they wipe out Gaza that's 2.2million people to be "clear cut". That's not a good look no matter how much good PR a side has

[–] [email protected] 37 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Honestly the question is would anybody care enough to do something about it? I see headlines everyday finger wagging at bigwigs all across the world but nothing actually gets done to them.

[–] [email protected] 30 points 9 months ago

If history is the guide, no one will intervene in the depopulation of a well armed country until the antagonist country makes international war.

[+] [email protected] 14 points 9 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

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[–] [email protected] 21 points 9 months ago (2 children)

There are 6 million people in Israel, of that about 2 million is Israel Palestinian.

There are a about 6 million people in Palestinian.

If Israel won't let Palestine be a independent country, then the 4 million Isrealies and the 8 million Palestinians need to integrate and come to some South African truth and reconciliation level of cultural assimilation.

Not letting people be independent but making them second class citizens will never see a end to violence.

[–] avater 7 points 9 months ago (2 children)

But Palestine and especially the Hamas are also denying Israel their right to be an independent country. The Hamas is also denying Jews in general their existence and wants to eradicate them, how does this work in your equation?

The conflict between Israel and Palestine is the real one and worth solving, but the Hamas is nothing more than a terror organization.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 9 months ago (4 children)

I agree. Hamas is an intractable bad actor. To get reconciliation between the populations, we need to have both populations engaged in a hopeful future, so that most of the population does not support religious extremists violent bad actors. We have to make Hamas the worst option for the general population, not the best.

Israel and Palestine both exist on the same land. There's no solution that's going to make everybody happy. In an ideal world they'd both have their independent territory split, and let bygones be bygones. But that's not the world we live in.

If Palestine can't have its own land, then I see the only tenable solution is integration between the populations. You can't have an effectively imprisoned population and expect stability.

Honestly, I blame the British. Their long history of drawing lines on maps, the local people be damned, has been the source of lots of conflict.

Other potential options I see: a UN military force maintaining a separation between the populations, and a road to independence.

A secular government, from all religions, being the administrative head of the entire territory, and then religious governments for subregions to represent their direct populations. Something like the state model in the United States.

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[–] gmtom 13 points 9 months ago

They've been murdering Palestinians for decades already. And nobody gave a shit, why would they start now?

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

What Hamas did requires a response from Israel, and no amount of "truce now, k?" will be work. It's sad, but the only course for Israel is to hit back, and hard. Anything less would be bending over and showing Hamas can do this again.

In other words, you can't stab a person, and then go "whoa stahp" when the bleeding guy pulls a bigger gun on you.

Bystanderd will be hurt, but I hope it will be over quick and afterwards there can be a path towards something better.

Before you engage with what I said, be sure to read up on https://lemmy.world/comment/4385358

I wish Hamas could be eradicated, it would be the single best step for Palestine, and not far behind, Israel and the rest of the world.

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[–] [email protected] 72 points 9 months ago (2 children)

A senior Hamas official said the group is open to discussions over a possible truce with Israel, having "achieved its targets."

Yep, Hamas managed to entrench both sides in their fucking atrocity competition, so Hamas and the Israeli right-wing can both hang onto power by the fear and hatred stirred in their populations. Great. Same time again next year?

Fucking scumsuckers.

[–] [email protected] 28 points 9 months ago

After what happened, I don't think Israel is going to allow Hamas to hang on to power. They are not going to allow Gaza to ever again be in a position to attack Israeli citizens, and that's going to come at the cost of a lot of innocent Palestinians.

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[–] avater 63 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (30 children)

Just as a little reality check for all Hamas "fans" (Hamas not Palestine!!) out here which are actually comparing them to Israel or openly defending them. The Hamas is founded on the Protocols of the Elders of Zion, which are a fairytale full of antisemitism and proven, false statements about Jews and how they are responsible for every bad thing that happens during the centuries and their diabolical plot for world domination (of course one of the favorite lecture of the Nazis)

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Protocols_of_the_Elders_of_Zion

Those idiots are really believing this fairytale and they use it to justify the murder of innocent people and Jews in general. So the next time you step in in defense of the Hamas or when you compare them to Israel, keep in mind that they are doing this because they believe in some antisemitic fairytale written by a crazy Russian back in the old days...they are basically Scientology only more degenerated and more violent.

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[–] [email protected] 35 points 9 months ago

Real Putin energy here.

[+] [email protected] 29 points 9 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (6 children)

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[–] nandeEbisu 39 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (2 children)

They've been living under an Israeli siege for over a decade and had a mature enough intelligence apparatus to plan a highly coordinated assault while living in a surveillance state.. If you don't think this wasn't a calculated informed attack you've got your head up your ass.

I'm not condoning indiscriminate killing and rape of civilians and taking hostages, I also don't condone the inhumane siege of Gaza that has been happening for decades. 50% of Gaza is under 18. That's not because they're popping out kids, its because you just don't survive that long in that kind of environment, those are also deaths. Not graphic ones that make headlines, but lives were still lost. Its incredibly hypocritical to assume Israel's shit don't stink in this situation either.

I'm also queasy when I read the coverage of the recent attacks by Hamas, I also haven't been living in a police state. Not saying this is the most effective way that they can achieve their objectives, but I can understand how someone growing up seeing violence, sickness and malnutrition for completely preventable reasons dehumanizes the people they see as being the cause of their situation and join or support an organization like Hamas.

[–] Dreamer 21 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Also, when Palestinians resist against Israel, I'm not sure many people are informed about the differences between what Israel's actions are and the narrative it gives out. An example would be found in this Haaretz article covering how Israel systematically hides evidence of Arab expulsion.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 9 months ago (6 children)

I do think that Israel should stop its colonization of the West Bank, cease the blockade, and work towards a two state solution. But my sympathy is with the Palestinian people. I have absolutely no sympathy for hamas after what they have done and they deserve what will happen next.

[–] BradleyUffner 9 points 9 months ago

But my sympathy is with the Palestinian people. I have absolutely no sympathy for hamas after what they have done and they deserve what will happen next.

The Israeli government no longer seems to care about the difference between the two.

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[–] tory 27 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (11 children)

We took hostages so now you should negotiate rather than genocide the entire Gaza strip.

Yeah, good luck with that.

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[–] [email protected] 22 points 9 months ago (1 children)

LMAO come on, guess they didn't expect the IDF to fight back 🤷🏽

[–] [email protected] 22 points 9 months ago

Taking a shit in the public water supply, getting roughed up as people demand to know why you just shat in the only watersource, and then you tell them to chill and that you "got your point across" lmao.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 9 months ago (7 children)

Yeah sorry Hamas, no takesy backsies when you just murdered a bunch of civilians at a peace festival.

It's like your brother just stole your favourite toy and then he's like "ok now we can have a truce".

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[–] mlg 16 points 9 months ago

I think he mean in the sense of hostage negotiations.

Practically speaking he's right, Hamas got what they wanted by doing a day of raids for some bullet spray kills, a few IDF outposts, and taking hostages for negotiating power.

Whether or not Israel will actually decide to negotiate for anything is another thing lol.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 9 months ago (9 children)

Hamas fucked around, is finding out, and want to talk "truce?" What does a truce with a bunch of genocidal terrorists look like?

[–] [email protected] 14 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Not carpet bombing the Gaza strip, where 2 and a half million palestinians live I'd imagine.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 9 months ago (2 children)

If Israel was carpet bombing the Gaza Strip, we wouldn't see hundreds dead. We would see hundreds of thousands dead.