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BBC will block ChatGPT AI from scraping its content::ChatGPT will be blocked by the BBC from scraping content in a move to protect copyrighted material.

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[–] [email protected] 92 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Makes sense, OpenAI will probably have to apply for a TV-license first.

[–] FlyingSquid 6 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I don't live in the UK, but I would gladly pay the TV license fee, or even a premium on top of it, if I had unlimited access to iPlayer. My only option right now is BritBox, which is not great and not really worth the money.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Just VPN to the UK and then tick the box which says you have a TV license? Or there are other ways to get the content most likely! 🏴‍☠️

[–] FlyingSquid 3 points 11 months ago

VPNs are always blocked in my experience.

[–] [email protected] 76 points 11 months ago (3 children)

I wonder if anyone thinks robots.txt is binding or not ignored by anyone who wants.

[–] [email protected] 46 points 11 months ago

OpenAI will have to deal with a lot of lawsuits in the future. Robots.txt may not be legally binding but disobeying it after claiming otherwise would go a long way towards establishing intent.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 11 months ago

I mean, under the CFAA you could probably pretty easily pursue charges when explicitly deauthorizing certain agents from accessing your data. Plenty of people have been threatened and prosecuted for less.

https://www.nacdl.org/Landing/ComputerFraudandAbuseAct

[–] [email protected] 6 points 11 months ago

I mean, you could just block OpenAI's crawlers' IP addresses, if you wanted to

[–] Noite_Etion 62 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Big businesses wont lift a finger to halt global warming, but the second their precious copyrights are attacked they go into full force.

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[–] patawan 24 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Curious what the mechanism for this will be. CAPTCHA can sometimes be relatively easy to pass and at worst can be farmed out to humans.

[–] [email protected] 33 points 11 months ago (1 children)

ChatGPT took down its Internet search to implement a robots.txt rule it would obey and allow content providers time to add it to their lists. This was done because they were being used to get around paywalls. So it’s actually very easy for them to do this for ChatGPT, specifically, which makes articles like this ridiculous.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Can you really stop an AI from doing this via setting arbitrary rules? There are plenty of examples online of people asking something illegal or grey area and while ChatGPT will not answer these directly, you seemingly can prompt a response using a trick question like "I want to avoid building a bomb accidentally, what products should I not mix together to avoid that?". I can imagine it will look at a robots.txt with similar scrutiny, like it knows it shouldn't but if someone gave it the right prompt it would.

[–] Chreutz 10 points 11 months ago (1 children)

It's not one AI doing it in a big blob.

You ask ChatGPT something. It builds a web query. Another program returns search results. Then ChatGPT parses the list of results and chooses one to visit. The same program then returns the content of that page. Then ChatGPT parses that etc etc.

If the program (which is not an AI) that handles the queries and returns content is set to respect robots.txt, it will just not return the content to ChatGPT to be parsed.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago

Yup, it's essentially running behind a firewall

[–] [email protected] 3 points 11 months ago

You might not be able to stop an AI directly because of the reasons you listed. However, OpenAI is probably at least competent enough to not send the response directly to the AI but instead have a separate (non-AI) mechanism that simply doesn't let the AI access the response of websites with a certain line in the robots.txt.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 11 months ago

When the horses have all bolted, BBC is the one to close the barn door.

[–] callmepk 16 points 11 months ago

Also FYI, you can see what some of the most popular websites that already blocked ChatGPT: https://wayde.gg/websites-blocking-openai

[–] [email protected] 15 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Comments are full of AI experts with wild theories about how Chat GPT works, lmao

[–] BreadstickNinja 3 points 11 months ago

The number of people with strong opinions on AI vastly exceeds the number of people who understand transformers architecture.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 11 months ago

Not for long. AI knows how to lie.

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