Wow the foundation really hates the idea of putting reliable dependable storage on their device.
Like would it kill you to have an M2 slot?
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Honestly, given the improvement of every other capability in the boards over the years, it's really mad we don't have an m.2 slot as an option. Even if they ended up having to create a slightly more expensive SKU (which they seem to have no issues with given the memory options for the Pi4), I don't think anyone would complain
Edit: apparently there's gonna be an M.2 HAT, so that's something at least, would prefer an option to have it on the board and the GPIO header available for something else
The single least reliable part of a raspberry pi is the storage. Always has been.
I don't even need more professor performance, because the storage performance is the worst part.
The professor really is what sets this device apart from competition
The professor...
Are we talking Gilligan's Island or Futurama?
Not sure, but i couldn’t help myself :D
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Likely an issue with the pci express lane not being able to handle nvme and everything else.
I thought that might be the case too, but the launch page has a line that suggests an M.2 HAT will use the new PCI-E interface, so it does make you wonder why they couldn't include the connector on the board. Might just be me, but I feel like people have been asking for this since they gave up asking for a SATA connector
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An M.2 makes it really difficult for a kid to pop the card out, plug it into a computer and flash it.
I think RPI Foundation is still holding onto its education-targeted roots.
I think the compute models are more targeted at the industrial/commercial side of requirements.
And any homelab enthusiast would probably be better buying a cheap used/refurbished thin-client
Yes, I think the Foundation still favours SD cards because they are cheap and easy to use. Which suits the Pi’s original base of education, hobbyists etc.
Of course that doesn’t stop the market seeing things differently and dropping Pis straight in to production use cases instead of moving up to the Compute modules.
I think the SD card problems are a little exaggerated too. They may not be the fastest but they are reliable enough if reputable brands are used.
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Well, personally I could do without and if it reduces costs I'm for it. Raspberry pi was always about being cheap.
Yeah, this should be higher up. Pi’s have usually been around the $35-40 mark, and this one is going to be $100. My B, B+ came as a kit with power supply, SD card, and a cheapo case for $45. Now you can’t even get just the 3B+ for less than $50. My Pi’s are doing boring, simple work like running my 3D printer, running PiHole and a VPN, or being a print server. None need $100 computers to do the job. I guess as long as earlier Pi versions are still available, NBD.
$100 is starting to price out of the cheap educational/hobbyist/experimenter range and send people looking elsewhere.
That’s Compute Module carrier board territory.
The official Compute Module carrier board has a 1xPCIe slot for an NVMe or SATA adapter, and there are 3rd party carrier boards with a M.2 slot on them.
You can boot over Usb now, but yeah would be nice to have m.2
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They're gonna prioritise companies again and make it impossible for normal people to get it, right?
I think that the rpi4 came out before the supply chain issue caused by Covid.
Before that, it was easy to get a Rpi. It was an issue getting any kind of electronic parts for any kind of project. You had to secure your supply for your production first before starting a project. It was never seen before.
They admitted to supplying hundreds of thousands a month to bulk customers over the last 2 years while none made their way to consumer resellers.
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My issue with their distribution methods is that they prioritized business customers during that time. They still produced RPis, but preferentially sent them to companies who use them in their products. This is completely removed from their original mission.
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What annoys me about all these RPi articles is the praise for improved performance and all the projects you can do with it, etc. But you can't find the damn thing to purchase. It's always out of stock everywhere I look. So much so I have given up on it completely. There are other competitor products with lower price that are fully compatible or I'll just end up using old phone.
They are way easier to find now than last year. Which ruined my little home project
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Wow, can't wait to not be able to buy one!
*cries in third world country. Is it the same in North America (Canada and USA) and Europe?
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There are many small DIY computers on the market now, not just Raspberry Pi.
Orange Pi, Banana Pi, Asus Tinkerboard, ..
Those usually don't have delivery issues.
The only problem is the shitty support they have. Just bought an orange pi zero 3 and can't find any documentation for using the gpios
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I haven't followed Raspberry Pi for years - when did they go from $25-35 to $100+?
I bought a Pi 3 for $25 when it came out.
Sold it for $115 a few months ago.
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This is great news... for business customers, as they're those are the only channels they'll be available through.
Well, unless you don't mind spending $200-$400 per unit to scalpers, who magically never seem to run out of stock.
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I'm a little disappointed to not see AV1 decoding mentioned, since Broadcom has had one for years now.
So you're telling me Rpi's can finally emulate N64 games at full speed.
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Obviously I got a RPi4 just a couple months ago, after struggling for 2-3 years... Well, crap.
EDIT: at least the prices didn't seem to have increases significantly over the previous version.
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I would love to upgrade my few 3b+ units, if you could actually buy this. It'll likely be out of stock for eternity, just like the 4 was
not to judge, but buying 3 billion+ raspberry pis seems like a lot!
Yes, it is I, the CEO of Broadcom
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Can we get a usb-c port with data? And more power supply to the ports? I hate having to power hard disks with a separate cable.
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I really wish they would have stuck 32/64GB storage or something like that on it, so the OS could boot without external reliance. Give the Pi0 8GB and it would be perfect.
I boot my Pi4 and Pi3 from SSD and it’s great but it’s clunky with the SSD and adapter.
I’m seriously considering a N100/N305 mini pc instead of my Pi.
So for how much :-D
I'd take a cheap slow one any day...
A cheap slow AVAILABLE one.
Like seriously, I've had horrible success trying to source Pi3/4 in the past few years and due to their bad availability, they cost so much it often end up opting for something different.
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Not bumping the PCIe lanes to 4-8 is disappointing. So is now requiring active cooling, not using USB-C for the USB3 ports, and PoE being unusable without a hat.
It’s probably time to add a higher end “pro” line to let the “education” line focus on power efficiency, tiny form factors, and low cost.
Also, did they fire the cop they hired?
You're demanding a bunch more high performance connectivity - which means high performance silicon to run all those lanes - and complaining about the active cooling in the same post.
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What I'd like to see is something like an updated and optimised ~pi3-spec device with EMMC or an m.2 sata slot. Yes I know I can put a pi zero2 into a breakout board, but they connect via USB and that severely limits performance.
I recently decommissioned my pis (2x 3b and 1x 4b) and replaced them all with a single intel n95 based NUC (which cost less than a single pi4 8gb at the time) and I didn't need any real gpio other than some serial ports, but if the right device came along with reliable storage I'd consider moving back to pis.
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