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[–] [email protected] 98 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

It's mostly bullshit.

Eat a balanced diet and stop stressing about specifics. Eat meat sparingly. Don't drink at all and it'll make a bigger difference in your life than seed oils. Drink in moderation if you can't handle that. Have fruits and veggies daily, as fresh as you can get them. Walk a few miles a day.

All the basic easy stuff is the most effective. There are no tricks, shortcuts or gotchas.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Drinking is a big thing, in a lot of ways. If you need to not be sober, try edibles instead.

[–] Zippy 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Getting high to avoid sobriety daily is quite bad as well. Close to that of alcohol. Certainly worse if you are eating edibles fault compared to a beer once or twice a week.

[–] smooth_tea 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

How is any of that based on something besides your personal preference? What does quite bad mean? And what is "close to alcohol?" How much alcohol? How high?

I've also never met a person that drinks A beer. I've met lots that drink beers and call it a beer to minimize their habits though.

No offense but your opinion sounds like an anti drug ad from the 90's made by someone who's yet to admit their drug of choice is even a drug.

[–] Zippy 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I smoke weed few times a month. Will have a beer about once, sometimes twice a week. I do pot to get a buzz typically where as a single beer is just nice on a hot day and won't give me any feeling unless I drink a few in a row. I suspect you never met a person that drinks 'a' beer because the same reason you wouldn't know if a person has a glass of wine at supper. Lots of people do it just for the taste and relaxation and refreshment. Not to get a buzz. There is evidence that is even good for you but I think it is a wash. The occasional one that is. You are likely right though if you know someone that needs 'a' single beer a day, they are likely drinking more than that. And I would agree, a full on alcohol addiction is harder on the body then a full on weed addiction.

What I do see is alcoholics will not claim being so is somehow improving their life in an meaningful way. At least they are being truthful. I do know a fair amount of daily pot users, some basically wake and bake, and they are better at suggesting it is necessary to make their life better. I don't buy that.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yeah anecdotes are great but this is nothing but your opinion, ultimately.

You can question frequent use of edibles all you want as far as addiction is concerned, but when you try to suggest that it's as bad for you health-wise as alcohol? You are just wrong.

[–] Zippy -1 points 1 year ago (3 children)

From the guy that first provide an anecdote.

Anyhow I can assure you that taking edibles daily is certainly worse than have a beer a week. For some they may need it for pain possibly and that is valid but the majority of daily users are using for the high. Or better put, can't operate well without a daily hit.

[–] smooth_tea 1 points 1 year ago

Anyhow I can assure you that taking edibles daily is certainly worse than have a beer a week.

This is a crucial point, how can you? Overlooking the major discrepancy in frequency of use.

The active ingredient in edibles is an analogue to something endogenous to the human body, alcohol is just a toxic substance.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

You can't even figure out who you're talking to. It is quite literally right there in the username.

Something tells me your opinion on the matter is worthless.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Your usage of majority here is pretty disingenuous, well frankly your entire point.

To do exactly what you're doing: The majority of drinkers who have a beer a week are alcoholics who can't operate well without a daily drink.

Not to mention to liken having a beer a week to daily edibles is insane. A more apt comparison would be a drink or two a day vs an edible a day. Or at the other end, an edible a week vs a beer a week.

[–] ShadowCatEXE 1 points 1 year ago

Is there any difference between drinking 1-2 beers weekly, vs nothing at all?

[–] TheOneWithTheHair 36 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

They're higher in inflammatory fats (most seed oils are predominantly composed of omega-6 polyunsaturated fats/inflammatory fats). While our bodies do need some inflammatory and anti-inflammatory fats (sort of like we need Cholesterol) we do not need too much. Calling them toxic is a step too far, but all foods should be consumed in moderation.

https://www.matherhospital.org/wellness-at-mather/diet-nutrition/the-connection-between-diet-and-inflammation/

[–] applejacks 15 points 1 year ago

this is my understanding, it's not that they're bad, but that they are in everything.

[–] TheWoozy 4 points 1 year ago

Yes, just as sugar is good for you, but only in the right proportion.

[–] [email protected] -5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

If you consider calling them β€œtoxic” too far, is that because you don’t want to be associated with the woo use of the word, or what?

To me a substance that reduces your health when ingested is toxic, no?

[–] TheOneWithTheHair 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

You might want to re-read where I said

While our bodies do need some inflammatory and anti-inflammatory fats... we do not need too much.

To quote this article: https://www.realsimple.com/are-seed-oils-bad-for-you-6835267

"While it’s important to reduce chronic inflammation in our bodies, inflammation does serve us in notable ways, and we actually need some of both kinds of fats. (When we experience physical, chemical, or heat trauma, the inflammatory response that our bodies carry out helps prevent damage from spreading to nearby tissues, works to remove cellular waste and pathogens, and springs the healing process into action.) "

In fact, not removing cellular waste is bad.

What we don't need are the excessive servings we currently get. If people eat a bottle of aspirin, it will likely kill them, but there's no need to label aspirin as toxic, if taken in moderation.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago

Nothing wrong with them, but a lot of "alternative medicine" special interest groups wants you to believe there is, as evidenced by a lot of the links uncritically posted in this very thread alone.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

A EXTREMELY helpful article, with scientific references covering the entire issue much better then I did below: https://www.dietdoctor.com/low-carb/vegetable-oils

Original reply follows - - -

The main issue is oxidative stress caused by Omega-6 fatty acids. Omega-3 are anti-oxidants and reduce stress. The ratio of o3/o6 is helpful in seeing how it can impact your body.

There is a small, but growing, body of research linking consumption of seed oils with metabolic problems (diabetes)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7kGnfXXIKZM

I recommend this whole playlist

For people who are concerned about oxidative stress, they tend to cook food in fats, and avoid seed oil issues all together. Olive oil is a good seed oil, but getting a unadulterated pure source is problematic.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

https://www.jeffnobbs.com/posts/death-by-vegetable-oil-what-the-studies-say

I found this post immensely helpful in describing the science behind the health effects of seed oils. But it remains to be said that saturated fat doesn't seem like the best thing for you either. I use the mostly unsaturated oil olive oil nowadays.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

isnt olive oil much more pricey

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

It wasn't too bad before in my opinion but this year there was a big drought in the Mediterranean and now it's extremely expensive. Even butter is cheaper than olive oil now I'm afraid... I just try to use less of it. Speaking of butter there are now a few big studies out there showing that milk fat is not as bad as the saturated fats found in meat. But they are all funded by dairy companies so I don't know if I can really trust them. It's hard navigating the world of fats and health. Fats are good for you but it's hard to know which ones are the good ones.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

Butter has always been an order of magnitude cheaper than actual olive oil in most places I think. Maybe that's different in OO producing regions idk

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

We make our own olive oil here in Australia, and it's pretty cheap by the can. I decant it into snaller bottles to use. Butter and ghee is thought to be better than most fats, yes. But (unburned) animal fat is still not a terrible thing. It's artificial sweeteners and even plain sugar that seem far more dangerous to me.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

True, staying healthy isn’t for the poor :(

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

It is. Just don't use oil. Use lard, cooking fat. Buy a cheap fatty cut of meat, the fat you can use over and over again to cook with.

Many Asian markets sell fat for pennies per pound.

[–] TheWoozy 1 points 1 year ago

Poverty ain't for the weak.