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[–] Gigan 250 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (6 children)

GRRM is worried AI will finish writing his books before him

[–] [email protected] 76 points 1 year ago (3 children)

We could teach ducks to write and they will finish before him.

[–] killeronthecorner 49 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Would you rather it was finished by 100 duck sized George RR Martins or a George RR Martin sized duck?

[–] chemical_cutthroat 15 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 year ago

Big duck energy

[–] Gigan 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Get those 100 duck sized GRRM's a bunch of mini keyboards and they'll get it done 100 times faster

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago
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[–] MowFord 56 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Another moment in A Dream of Spring involved Bran receiving a vision that The Wall was not just a physical barrier, but a mystical shield holding back the Night King's power. "This twist fits well within the universe and raises tension for the remainder of the story," Swayne remarks.

That's just a popular fan theory that has been discussed countless times on various forums.

I guess we can conclude that ChatGPT has been reading a lot of reddit.

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago (1 children)

He still hasnt released the TWOW yet? Srsly, i feel sad for his fanbase.

[–] Madrigal 8 points 1 year ago

Most of us have reached the Acceptance stage now.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago

Actually getting a good ending to the ASOIAF after GRRM dies is gonna be one of the big turning points that transforms everyone's opinion on AI.

It's gonna be like fan edits for movies. People will debate which is the better version of the story. The only person hurt by this is George, who will be dead and was never going to finish the books anyways.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago

Since he will never finish the next book, then that's very likely given infinite time :)

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[–] AbouBenAdhem 54 points 1 year ago (55 children)

The authors added that OpenAI’s LLMs could result in derivative work “that is based on, mimics, summarizes, or paraphrases” their books, which could harm their market.

Ok, so why not wait until those hypothetical violations occur and then sue?

[–] [email protected] 31 points 1 year ago (1 children)

People can do that too, are they gonna sue all people?

[–] [email protected] 30 points 1 year ago

I have nipples Greg, could you sue me?

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[–] [email protected] 51 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I mean this isn't miles away from what the writer's strike is about. Certainly I think the technology is great but after the last round of tech companies turning out to be fuckwits (Facebook, Google etc) it's only natural that people are going to want to make sure this stuff is properly regulated and run fairly (not at the expense of human creatives).

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[–] [email protected] 38 points 1 year ago

If the models trained on pirated works were available as a non-profit sort of setup with any commercial application being banned I think that would be fine.

Business owners salivating over the idea that they can just pocket the money writers and artists would make is not exactly a good use of tech.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Copyright law in general is out of date and needs updating it's not just AI that's the problem that's just the biggest new thing. But content creators of traditional media have been railing against what they perceive as copyright violation for ages.

Look at Nintendo and Let's Plays.

The law is the problem here. Not AI.

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[–] MargotRobbie 22 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

I've expressed my opinions on this before which wasn't popular, but I think this case is going to get thrown out. Authors Guild, Inc. v. Google, Inc. has established the precedent that digitalization of copyrighted work is considered fair use, and finetuning an LLM even more so, because LLMs ultimately can be thought of as storing text data in a very, very lossy comprssion algorithm, and you can't exactly copyright JPEG noise.

And I don't think many of the writers or studio people actually tried to use ChatGPT to do creative writing, and so they think it magically outputs perfect scripts just by telling it to write a script: the reality is if you give it a simple prompt, it generates the blandest, most uninspired, badly paced textural garbage imaginable (LLMs are also really terrible at jokes), and you have to spend so much time prompt engineering just to get it to write something passable that it's often easier just to write it yourself.

So, the current law on it is fine I think, that pure AI generated contents are uncopyright-able, and NOBODY can make money off them without significant human contribution.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

he reality is if you give it a simple prompt, it generates the blandest, most uninspired, badly paced textural garbage imaginable

Which is not too far from the typical sequel quality coming out of hollywood at the moment ;-)

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[–] Wogi 21 points 1 year ago (5 children)

When the movie about the nerds behind these apps comes out, this will be the part of the movie trailer where Jesse Eisenberg looks nervous and says he's being sued for over a billion dollars.

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[–] Bruncvik 20 points 1 year ago (8 children)

To be the devil's advocate (or GRRM's attorney), I see the merit of his and other authors' concerns. Chat GPT makes it feasible to generate short stories in their world and with their characters, which can easily replace their licensed products. This is not just their main work, but also other products that generates them some revenue stream.

Example: A friend of mine is using Chat GPT to generate short bedtime stories for his daughters. A typical request is something like this: "Please write a five paragraph story where Elsa from Frozen meets Santa Claus. Together, they fly in Santa's sleigh over the world, and Elsa is magicking snow on all Christmas trees." Normally, you'd buy a Disney-licensed book of short Christmas stories (I have one for my kids), but Chat GPT is more flexible and free.

Same goes for GRRM. He doesn't write Children stories, but one can still prompt Chat GPT to produce stories from the universe, which scratch the ASOIAF itch. This substitutes the officially licensed products and deprives the author of additional revenue stream. Just for the fun of it, I prompted Chat GPT: "Hello GPT-3.5. Please write a four paragraph story set in the Game of Thrones universe. In this story, Jon Snow and Tyrion Lannister go fishing and catch a monster alligator, which then attacks them." It produces a surprisingly readable story, and if I were a fan of this universe, I can imagine myself spending a lot of time with different prompts and then reading the results.

(On a side note,AI-generated content already has at least one group of victims: the authors of short fiction. Magazines like Clarkesworld were forced to close submissions of new stories, as they became overwhelmed with AI-generated content.)

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[–] Anonymousllama 17 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

"LLMs allow anyone to generate — automatically and freely (or very cheaply) — text that they would otherwise pay writers to create" My heart bleeds for them 🙄

That new technology is going to make it harder for us to earn income. As if automation and other improvements over the years hasn't diminished other positions and they should somehow be protected at the cost of improvements for everyone as a whole

[–] thehatfox 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Do any of these authors use a word processor? Because that would be displacing the job of a skilled typist.

Technological progress is disruptive and largely unavoidable. Loosing your livelihood to a machine isn't fun, I don't dispute that. But the fact of that didn't stop the industrial revolution, the automobile, the internet, or many other technological shifts. Those who embraced them reaped a lot benefits however.

Technology is also often unpredictable. The AI hype train should not be taken at face value, and at this point we can't say if generative AI systems will ever really "replace" human artistry at all, especially at the highest of levels. But technology such as LLMs do not have reach that level to still be useful for other applications, and if the tech is killed on unfounded fear mongering we could loose all of it.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (4 children)

They're not saying LLMs are bad, they're LLMs trained on copyrighted works are.

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[–] FlyingSquid 15 points 1 year ago

Julia was twenty-six years old... and she worked, as he had guessed, on the novel-writing machines in the Fiction Department. She enjoyed her work, which consisted chiefly in running and servicing a powerful but tricky electric motor... She could describe the whole process of composing a novel, from the general directive issued by the Planning Committee down to the final touching-up by the Rewrite Squad. But she was not interested in the final product. She "didn't much care for reading," she said. Books were just a commodity that had to be produced, like jam or bootlaces.

[–] Feathercrown 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Ok I've been seeing these headlines for over a year now... any update on literally any of these suits?

[–] AeonFelis 29 points 1 year ago (6 children)

When G.R.R. Martin is involved, you are going to have to wait a long time to learn how the thing ended.

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[–] drmoose 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Come on, everyone jump on the grift boat! ⛴️

[–] Reddfugee42 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Seriously. The intent behind copyright, which no one disputes, is that you should not be able to make a copy of someone else's work that dilutes the value of their work to the point where anybody chooses to use the diluted version instead of the original.

Where in AI can it be even REMOTELY shown that someone is using an AI product where they otherwise before AI would have been inclined to purchase the original novel instead?

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago

Copyright abuse has been a problem for years but because the big players are the ones doing the abuse no one wants to fix it.

Same for patent trolls.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

I don't want AI trained on pirated works 'found' by scrubbing the entire internet.

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