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Discussion of climate, how it is changing, activism around that, the politics, and the energy systems change we need in order to stabilize things.

As a starting point, the burning of fossil fuels, and to a lesser extent deforestation and release of methane are responsible for the warming in recent decades: Graph of temperature as observed with significant warming, and simulated without added greenhouse gases and other anthropogentic changes, which shows no significant warming

How much each change to the atmosphere has warmed the world: IPCC AR6 Figure 2 - Thee bar charts: first chart: how much each gas has warmed the world.  About 1C of total warming.  Second chart:  about 1.5C of total warming from well-mixed greenhouse gases, offset by 0.4C of cooling from aerosols and negligible influence from changes to solar output, volcanoes, and internal variability.  Third chart: about 1.25C of warming from CO2, 0.5C from methane, and a bunch more in small quantities from other gases.  About 0.5C of cooling with large error bars from SO2.

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[–] flossdaily 110 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I can't wait for her to be president!

[–] vivavideri 29 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That would be an exceptionally good day.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 year ago (4 children)

I'm liberal, but holy shit the division from that happening would make Obama and Trump seem like warmups

[–] flossdaily 62 points 1 year ago (2 children)

No... Don't you see?

No matter how centrist or moderate democratic candidate is, the Republicans call them communist, socialist pedophiles.

They've painted themselves into a corner. We could nominate a full-on Marxist flag-burner, and they would have nothing left to say about them that they didn't already say about Obama and Biden.

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[–] njm1314 10 points 1 year ago

You say that like the person even matters. As long as there is a D next to their name the other side will act like the world is ending. Literally.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I am not an American, so I have to ask: Is AOC really that radical? To me she looks like a left leaning liberal with the most radical idea being MMT. Other then that it is normal talking points of a left leaning politican.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 year ago (2 children)

any other country would view AOC and Bernie as centrist at best – but our Overton window has shifted so far right that centrist is seen as full-on revolutionary communist …

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I honestly thought they were some European style social democrat types, but then I looked up their climate policies and turns out Macron has actually passed more radical climate laws then the two of them are even proposing. It is insane how Americans believe that two politicans would be revolutionary communist, when a former investment banker turned neoliberal politican is more radical then them.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

I'm liberal but the first thing that comes to mind about this advancement is something negative. I would prefer a negative peace, an absence of conflict, to a positive peace. I'm a liberal.

[–] idunnololz 14 points 1 year ago

Stop I can only get so hard

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[–] [email protected] 77 points 1 year ago (3 children)

In Australia we've just essentially criminalised climate protesting. Climate protestors now risk a huge fine and even jail time. A lot of people suspect it's because governments are preparing in advance for what might become a huge movement that they can't control. So they're trying to disincentivise people before shit hits the fan.

[–] [email protected] 35 points 1 year ago

That sounds about right. Sadly for them, no manner of law is going to stop the mobs when people start going hungry.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I went to a climate protest in Canada last week and it was way to tame to actually get anything accomplished.

The main part of the protest was walking down a main artery. For protesters, there is incentive to walk slowly and spread out to make the walk longer and disrupt status-quo longer, but the organizers clearly only had permission to march for a specific duration so they were in the back hurrying people forward so we'd stay within our allotted time window. Maybe 30 minutes. Once a year. It was pointless.

Add to that that 90% of the people there were exactly the people you'd expect to be there and it just felt like a waste of time.

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[–] [email protected] 76 points 1 year ago

she applauded the climate movement for starting to "crack the grip" which the fossil fuel industry holds on the nation's political economy.

"That's because of you," she said to those in the crowd. "Don't let the cynics win. The cynics want us to think that this isn't worth it. The cynics want us to believe that we can't win. The cynics want us to believe that organizing doesn't matter; that our political system doesn't matter; that our economy doesn't matter. But we're here to say that we organize out of hope! We organize out of commitment! We organize out of love! We organize out of the beauty of our future! And we will not give up. We will not let go! We will not let cynicism to prevail!"

[–] [email protected] 48 points 1 year ago (4 children)

There is an exception to every rule, and one of my rules is that all politicians are money grubbing, ego-maniacs, who want nothing more than power. She might be the only exception to that rule.

[–] [email protected] 51 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'd say Bernie is one of the exceptions. They are rare.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago

I think Katie Porter is also on this exception list.

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[–] Gazumi 29 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Meanwhile, here in the UK, Ministers consider rollback of green policy to try to win votes from those who really should not vote Tory.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago (7 children)

Term based politics really make me struggle with democracy when it comes to this topic. No one is going to do jack shit if that means they lose votes, or half assed shit at best.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

Aren't you glad, the EU isn't there to regulate this kind of thing anymore? /s (do we use the sarcasm "/s" here as well or did we leave that at the old place?)

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[–] Gabu 22 points 1 year ago

She's right...

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 year ago

Being concerned for the future of our species is radical apparently.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I'm not sure she realises how good conservatives, and the American public, are at ignoring things.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago

Bah that's exactly the kind of cynicism she was talking about

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[–] Dr_pepper_spray 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

....and then she ate her microphone.

[–] Mr_Dr_Oink 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] Dr_pepper_spray 4 points 1 year ago

...it was all cake!

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

She should be Americas VP, so she could take over for Brandon when he croaks. Probably the only way we'll ever get a female president.

[–] oldbaldgrumpy 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I'm all for a female President...but I don't think AOC is it, at least not at this point in her career.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Okay but what the fuck can I do?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago
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