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Privacy concerns are a very popular and valid talking point on Lemmy, so I would like to gather your thoughts and opinions on this. (Apologies if it's already been discussed!)

Would you support this? Would it work or even be viable? (If it could somehow overcome the rabid resistance from these big companies). What are your thoughts?

Personally, I'm getting more and more agitated at the state of this late stage global capitalism, where companies have the gall to ask you to pay or subscribe to their products, while they already make money from you for selling your data. It's been an issue for a long time now, but seems to really be ramping up.

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

It's a great idea and in a way it's already being done with those survey companies and stuff.

The thing is, what you propose needs to be backed by strong privacy laws. Consumer protections and legislation that mandates the deletion of data once the need for it expires. Basically, none of this should happen without a EU style GDPR in the respective country.

[–] PaulDevonUK 2 points 1 year ago

How is value determined? There are many different usage scenarios each of different values.

I would love to receive payment (or the ability to opt out entirely) but imagine that it will be similar to the Holywood scenario where a film makes billions but "accounting" eats 99% of what is due.

[–] aliostraat 2 points 1 year ago

Absolutely. I think the difficulties in ensuring the data owner gets paid properly highlight the fact that gathering this data needs to be approved by the data owner and can't just be done willy nilly. Data is a valuable resource, although in the most part intangible. It's this intangibility that has given data hearders the impression its up for grabs. The whole system needs strick rules to protect people's data wealth and not to mention privacy.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

"By clicking here you agree to the terms of service [which expressly state that in exchange for receiving the service without charge or at discount rate, you wave any rights to royalties on any personal information collected]" or something to that effect.

As long as users willingly participate, the only way to solve this problem is to educate users about the dangers. It's a very similar situation as cigarettes. Banning cigarettes doesn't work because then users will just willingly circumvent the ban, possibly turning to black or grey markets.

[–] ThatWeirdGuy1001 1 points 1 year ago

I want you to go to whatever search engine you use and search "how long does it take to read terms and conditions" so you can see that reading them would take days.

[–] Candelestine 1 points 1 year ago

Hm. Not a bad idea actually. Just a percentage of the revenues. It would never be any kind of significant income stream for any of us, but it would basically torpedo their entire business model, which relies on being very low-cost to remain profitable.

Gonna have to either outmaneuver or out-punch Amazon, google and Zuckerberg all together, though, in addition to the whole slew of medium and bit players in the game.

I think you'd need nothing shy of a global democratic movement to have much of a shot at any long-term results from this strategy. Gonna make Arab Spring and Occupy Wall Street look like casual block parties.

[–] stewie3128 0 points 1 year ago

Only if you pay money to use their product yourself.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (10 children)

Consumer: I like your product. Can I use it?
Company: Sure thing! It's free but we're going to take your data and sell it.
Consumer: Okay!
. . . Consumer: Hey, you're selling that data I told you you could sell as long as I can use your product for free! You should give me commission.

Me: Don't use things that sell your data. Start by deleting the apps from your phone in favor of the web version. Make sure to decline allowing websites and services to track your usage. It's not perfect, but it's a start.
What should be even more concerning at the moment is the Mozilla report that came out reporting that every car company is now extracting more of your personal information than TikTok or Facebook. https://foundation.mozilla.org/en/blog/privacy-nightmare-on-wheels-every-car-brand-reviewed-by-mozilla-including-ford-volkswagen-and-toyota-flunks-privacy-test/

According to Mozilla research, popular global brands — including BMW, Ford, Toyota, Tesla, Kia, and Subaru — can collect deeply personal data such as sexual activity, immigration status, race, facial expressions, weight, health and genetic information, and where you drive. Researchers found data is being gathered by sensors, microphones, cameras, and the phones and devices drivers connect to their cars, as well as by car apps, company websites, dealerships, and vehicle telematics. Brands can then share or sell this data to third parties. Car brands can also take much of this data and use it to develop inferences about a driver’s intelligence, abilities, characteristics, preferences, and more.

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