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After months of secretive planning, and preparing the crew to defend their ship if necessary, the Royal Canadian Navy has transited the Taiwan Strait.

As HMCS Ottawa entered the busy and strategically critical body of water at sunrise, it was flanked by three Chinese warships armed with missiles and torpedoes. They mirrored Ottawa's moves for the entire 17-hour crossing.

Canada made the journey along with the USS Ralph Johnson, a U.S. Navy guided missile destroyer, in what both countries describe as a freedom of navigation exercise.

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[–] [email protected] 103 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I think this headline sounds sensationalist. It’s not untrue, but transiting the Taiwan Strait is something the US, Canada, and several other countries do pretty regularly to ensure they are still treated as international waters.

This headline makes it sound like an escalation when actually it’s pretty normal operating procedure.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Yes, it’s important to note the tone makes it sound like a provocation, good eye. China has been pushing that slant in media a few years now.

[–] Chickenstalker 41 points 1 year ago (11 children)

China claims the ENTIRE SOUTH CHINA SEA. Imagine the US claims the entire Pacific ocean.

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[–] Tarkcanis 35 points 1 year ago (3 children)
[–] afraid_of_zombies 7 points 1 year ago

I keep reading these comments in a strong Canadian accent.

[–] banneryear1868 5 points 1 year ago

Hoser mania is reaching epidemic proportions.

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[–] TheBlue22 25 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

China can claim anything they want. They will never enforce it because they can't. They might be an economic superpower (selling off your population as slaves to do labour for basically no money in awful conditions tends to do that), but they will never be a military one. Their weapons are copied, low quality garbage, their soldiers untrained, and undisciplined.

Ruzzia may have been the biggest paper tiger in history, China is the second biggest.

[–] Isthisreddit 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I would say China might actually be a better military power than Russia. No one would have believed just how fucking bad Russia's military crumbled away. I doubt China has the same issues (but I don't really know). Let's say their weapons are copied (copies of what? State of the art weapons systems?) - I'd guess that means they can do some serious damage eitherway, and probably better than what Russia has. They have nukes too.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago

We can't know if that's true until the shooting starts. Nobody knew for sure how strong Russia was until they went to war in Ukraine. In fact, the people who were in the best position to know (the Russians themselves) clearly didn't know because they never would have started this fight if they knew it would expose them as so weak.

We do know a bit about how powerful the US would be because they get involved in so many conflicts. But, even then, they haven't really faced a near-peer opponent since... who knows when.

In any sustained conflict, the ability to keep feeding troops, food, and supplies to the front line would matter, and that's where China might have an advantage. They have so many people they could keep feeding into the meat grinder. They have a huge manufacturing-based economy that could supply more and more arms and armour. One weakness is that they're a net importer of food, which would be a problem if those imports were disrupted.

One thing's certain, every country in the world is closely watching what's happening in Ukraine and trying to learn things without having to put their own soldiers in the firing line. I'm actually sure that that's one of the conditions for the military aid from the west. Sure, you can use these very modern weapons systems, but you have to turn on telemetry and share everything with us.

One lesson I'm sure they're learning so far is that drone warfare is going to be key. They're key for intelligence gathering, targeted strikes, artillery spotting, etc. A cheap drone can take out much more expensive weapons systems, and they allow a "pilot" to be very close to the action while not being in any danger. Because of China's drone industry, they'd have an edge in that area.

[–] onparole 2 points 1 year ago

The doubts about their non transparency regarding economics has finally hit the fan. Xi is due for a rude awakening. Also fuck Evergrande

[–] Gingerlegs 15 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago
[–] OrteilGenou 9 points 1 year ago

Well, there's some poutine in your eye