YSK: this community is mainly for facts or guides. What you’ve posted is an opinion.
this post was submitted on 23 Jun 2023
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I don't agree with you, since the OP post does state the fact that more upvoted content will be more visible. This is a fact
Even though I don't agree with you, I've upvoted you since I want to promote the discussion.
But that’s not the main point you’re making. “YSK: upvoting content makes it more visible” wouldn’t be much of a post would it?
You’re trying by to dictate what people “should” or “shouldn’t” promote. That part isn’t objective, it’s conveying your own ideas. Which doesn’t fit the YSK community.
In fairness I didn't make that point, someone else did.
I still agree with the OP though.
It’s completely irrelevant who made the point. If you can “agree” or “disagree” with the content, by principle it does not belong in YSK.
Take a look at some of the posts in this community. Does it seem like you could agree or disagree with most of them? No, because the typical YSK post is just a plain piece of information, which is either true or false (hopefully true).
I only pointed out that I didn't say it after you said
You’re trying by to dictate what people “should” or “shouldn’t” promote. That part isn’t objective, it’s conveying your own
Anyway, apart from and separate to arguing about pendantics on whether the post is a fact or an opinion, to check can you see this comment thread in the post? The only way I can see it now is through my messages in profile view, but not in the actual post.
Edit nevermind it's back now. Presumably a bug or likely input error by the user (me).
Is this not a guide on how best to use sites like lemmy, kbin, reddit, and the like? The software is designed to promote content that's favored by the users. If the users don't do their part, it limits the functionality of the software.
Content with more upvotes rose to the top on Reddit, and maybe it does on lemmy, but I'm on kbin and my understanding is that it specifically does not work that way over here. Someone please correct me if I'm wrong.
I'm sure there are people here with more experience that will be glad helping you comprehend what is and what can be done before you come up preposterously "establishing guidelines".
And that's why upvoted your comment as well as replied to it. Because it should be on top and this is my story (which everyone absolutely had to hear).
There’s reasoning in the post body. This is a common format for YSK posts.
I kind of agree. If you thought the post was important enough to comment on, you should usually upvote.
Looking at it the other way, when I post something, I tend to feverishly upvote any comments it gets, even negative ones, because I want to reward engagement.
How about people upvote if they feel like it? Not sure why this is a YSK when it’s just one persons opinion.
There's a significant subset of Reddit users, and other social media as well, who upvote or like (or downvote) most of the content they encounter. They don't seem to understand the concept of not doing that.
If you want your community to stay healthy, then voting on posts simply means one thing: This post is a good fit for this community.
You don't have to like it or agree with it, that's not the point. This is to improve the service for your fellow community members, as they will then become more likely to see posts that fit, and less likely to see ones that do not. They can then decide for themselves if they like or do not like the actual contents.
Voting on comments is another story, and is much more up to user discretion and the community culture. Vote however you like on comments.
Also, be aware, downvoting a post into oblivion does not make less people see it, it makes more people see it. We all love checking the downvote bombed posts from time to time, sometimes they can get downright hilarious, in a sad sort of way.
As a former lurker on Reddit, I'm forcing myself to give votes to everything I read here, comments or posts. It is getting easier and easier once I make it a habit. I'm also trying to comment a lot (like this one), even though I never did before. Commenting more actually is quite enjoyable as I finally feel like I'm more part of the discussions instead of an observer.
You have a very good point here!
I disagree. I use my votes to show that something is interesting (this topic - despite my disagreement - is an interesting one).
I upvote content I wish other people to see. I download content I wish to be seen less by others.
Whether I comment or not is not relevant... though if I don't like something, I prefer not to give it the traffic.
I agree with the sentiment. And, tbf, half the top voted reddit comments were hardly worthwhile. Quirky one liners, where the thoughtful comments, or thoughtful posts even, only got a handful of votes and a "I'm not reading all that"
While your assessment of the situation on Reddit matches my experience, the fact that the official rule was to upvote comments that improve the discussion and downvote the ones that hinder it made it easier to be exposed to people with opposite opinions, relatively to other social networks.
Yea that makes sense. I never actually read the rule. I just thought it made sense, but people really excel at ruining a good, so whatever.
I like that we can do that here, but there's no "final judgement" with a total karma score.
Fair point. Have an upvote! ;-)
It's certainly not a perfect system, and as has been pointed out by other comments I may be completely wrong about what up-/down-votes even do. Then again, if they don't do anything, why have them at all?
I just want to point out, that I use the voting system just as you've described in your OP. Upvote if I strongly agree or find funny etc, I hardly downvote, I save that for the more malicious stuff, and I comment if I feel the need to add or discuss. So I am in agreement with you, but I realize there is no right way to do it, it just makes sense to me (: take my upvote
Agree!
(Upvoted)
Agree!
(Downvoted)
(am I doing this right?)
You had one job!
I disagree. Voting is low-effort participation. Leaving a comment is much higher effort. I prefer the latter.
I agree that voting is low effort participation is it is participation. The software is kind of designed to work this way. More favored posts/discussions are promoted. If nobody "promotes" anything, the wheat stays mixed in with the chaff.
But it's a "why not both" situation. If you don't vote, the comment won't get featured as highly. That might not matter much for a thread with 5 comments, but when there's 200 comments, only some of them are gonna be seen and voting defines which (not replies -- after all, plenty of bad comments get tons of replies).
In addition, making a post with just a title and link with no commentary on the topic is low effort as well. It's acceptable for things like memes as they stand on their own, but I'm already getting tired of finding what I would call news spam from select users. There's a reason many subreddits had rules on adding comments and descriptions to a post, it was from years of dealing with drive-bys who didn't contribute to the actual discussions.
This one is harder for me. I'm one of those people who posts an article without necessarily also writing my thoughts in the "body" box when I post it. Sometimes I do, but oftentimes I think that people don't want to hear what I have to say about this topic; they want to hear what the article writer has to say about the topic. I try to hedge on this by writing a summary of the article in the body box if there isn't a summary already provided. I try to save opinion for the comment section.
I don't add commentary for news articles I am just trying to make people aware of. I may have an opinion on it but if I do put it in I do it in the comments like everyone else.
Im the same, commenting is when I want my voice heard, my votes are when i agree/like what others say
This is an excellent point! If someone's already spoken your opinion, your upvote is you nodding, or "harumph"ing, in agreement.
How are posts moved up the main page or top or hot? Is it based off upvotes, or boosts? I don't even know the difference.
Me neither. Following the logic of the name, boosting should help the post rise up. Following the same logic, upvotes and downvotes don't influence the position of the comments and posts. Yet, the reputation of a given user seems to be affected by the amount of boosts and downvotes, but not the amount of upvotes.
Maybe that's still WIP, though, I never bothered to look it up.
What is a boost?
KBin and Mastodon thing. In Mastodon it reposts the post to your own followers. What it does on Kbin I dont know.
aha cheers, that explains why I am not seeing it (I'm in Lemmy)
I suspect it's similar on kbin? Cause you can follow people on kbin and also see "microblogs" (Mastodon style comments). Though I'm not really sure where exactly it displays and if it is different for boosting a thread vs a comment. It's not a feature that personally interests me much. I mostly just hit it by accident sometimes lol.
Lemmy doesn't expose boosts in the UI (those are a thing on Kbin and some other ActivityPub services, but not Lemmy), so it can't be that.
What? Why? Lol
Using Jerboa all of the comments seem to be sorting by new and I'm not sure how to change it.
I agree! So using kbin I try and comment, upvote and boost everything, so everyone gets reputation improvements as well!
That is a common courtesy -- at the same "line of thought" of "don't touch fire, or else it will hurt you."