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THE POLICE PROBLEM

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    The police problem is that police are policed by the police. Cops are accountable only to other cops, which is no accountability at all.

    99.9999% of police brutality, corruption, and misconduct is never investigated, never punished, never makes the news, so it's not on this page.

    When cops are caught breaking the law, they're investigated by other cops. Details are kept quiet, the officers' names are withheld from public knowledge, and what info is eventually released is only what police choose to release — often nothing at all.

    When police are fired — which is all too rare — they leave with 'law enforcement experience' and can easily find work in another police department nearby. It's called "Wandering Cops."

    When police testify under oath, they lie so frequently that cops themselves have a joking term for it: "testilying." Yet it's almost unheard of for police to be punished or prosecuted for perjury.

    Cops can and do get away with lawlessness, because cops protect other cops. If they don't, they aren't cops for long.

    The legal doctrine of "qualified immunity" renders police officers invulnerable to lawsuits for almost anything they do. In practice, getting past 'qualified immunity' is so unlikely, it makes headlines when it happens.

    All this is a path to a police state.

    In a free society, police must always be under serious and skeptical public oversight, with non-cops and non-cronies in charge, issuing genuine punishment when warranted.

    Police who break the law must be prosecuted like anyone else, promptly fired if guilty, and barred from ever working in law-enforcement again.

    That's the solution.

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    A judgment was entered Friday in favor of Jonathan Guessford, 54, who said in the lawsuit that police unlawfully prevented him from engaging in peaceful protest by standing on the roadside and holding up a small cardboard sign reading “Radar Ahead!”
    After Guessford raised a middle finger at troopers while driving away from an initial encounter, he was stopped and cited for “improper use of a hand signal.” The charge was later dropped.
    The episode on March 11, 2022, was captured on cell phone videos taken by Guessford and included in his complaint, as well as on dashboard cameras in the vehicles of Corporal Stephen Douglas, Trooper Nicholas Gallo and Master Corporal Raiford Box.
    Police dashcam audio captures the troopers laughing and giggling at the notion of citing Guessford for using an improper hand turn signal because of the obscene gesture. “He wasn’t making a turn,” Douglas says.
    The cell phone video shows troopers approaching Guessford, who was standing in a grassy area next to the shoulder of Route 13 north of Dover. Douglas told Guessford that he was “disrupting traffic,” while Gallo, based on a witness report, said Guessford was “jumping into traffic.”
    “You are a liar,” Guessford told Gallo. “I’m on the side of the road, legally parked, with a sign which is protected by the First Amendment,” he told troopers.
    Dascham video shows Douglas twice lunging at Guessford to prevent him from raising his sign. Gallo then ripped it from his hands and tore it up.
    “Could you stop playing in traffic now?” Gallo sarcastically asked Guessford.
    As Guessford drove away, he made an obscene hand gesture at the troopers. Dashcam video shows Douglas racing after him at speeds of more than 100 miles per hour (160 kilometers per hour) in a 55 mph zone, followed closely by Gallo and Box.
    “Is there a reason why you were doing that?” Douglas asked Guessford after he pulled him over.
    Box told Guessford he was engaging in “disorderly conduct” and opened the front passenger door of Guessford’s vehicle.
    “Take it to court. That’s what I want you to do,” Box replied after Guessford told troopers he was going to take legal action. Box also threatened to charge Guessford with resisting arrest.
    “We’re going to take you in. We’re going to tow the car, and we’ll call social services for the kid,” Box said, referring to Guessford’s young son, who was with Guessford and witnessed his profanity-laden tirade against the officers. “It’s not a threat, it’s a promise,” Box added.
    Box’s dashcam audio also captures his subsequent phone call with a supervisor, Lt. Christopher Popp, in which Box acknowledges that citing Guessford for his hand gesture is “pushing it.”
    “You can’t do that,” Popp tells Box. “That will be dropped.”
    “Yeah, it’s gonna get dropped,” Box replies. “I told (Douglas) it’s definitely going to get thrown out. … I said, ‘Ah, that’s not really going to fly, buddy.’”
    Douglas is heard saying that even if the charge would be dropped, it at least “inconvenienced” Guessford.

    Notice, there's no penalty at all for the laughing cops and their gently scolding supervisor, Lt. Christopher Popp.

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[–] matthewc 101 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Threatening to have his kid taken away and the other officers letting him arrest Guessford even though they know Guessford did nothing wrong. In fact the cops destroyed Guessford’s property.

Horrible.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Yeah sounds like compensation is the least of what should be happening, those officers should be severely reprimanded.

[–] grue 41 points 1 year ago

This type of deliberate violation of civil rights ought to result in being instantly fired and permanently blacklisted from ever being a police officer again, in any jurisdiction anywhere.

[–] Cornelius_Wangenheim 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

If by severely reprimanded you mean spend a couple years in prison for deprivation of rights under color of law, I'd agree.

[–] Kbobabob 61 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Seriously fuck cops. Look at all the bullshit they tried pulling here and would have gotten away if not for cell phone videos.

[–] [email protected] 29 points 1 year ago

"improper use of a hang signal"

🤣🤣🤣🖕 absolutely the proper use of a hand signal, get fucked piggy!

[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Hope these guys one day do 100mph into the side of a dump truck 🙏

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

No, that would hurt the dump truck and possibly hurt the dump truck driver. In this instance, it would be better if they crashed into something that would not hurt someone innocent or their property.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Maybe, but probably not imo, a cruiser vs a dump truck the truck wins every day

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

truck would be company property too, not the driver's problem if it needs to get fixed

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Like their own police station then?