this post was submitted on 02 Sep 2023
6 points (59.4% liked)

Unpopular Opinion

5850 readers
119 users here now

Welcome to the Unpopular Opinion community!


How voting works:

Vote the opposite of the norm.


If you agree that the opinion is unpopular give it an arrow up. If it's something that's widely accepted, give it an arrow down.



Guidelines:

Tag your post, if possible (not required)


  • If your post is a "General" unpopular opinion, start the subject with [GENERAL].
  • If it is a Lemmy-specific unpopular opinion, start it with [LEMMY].


Rules:

1. NO POLITICS


Politics is everywhere. Let's make this about [general] and [lemmy] - specific topics, and keep politics out of it.


2. Be civil.


Disagreements happen, but that doesn’t provide the right to personally attack others. No racism/sexism/bigotry.


3. No bots, spam or self-promotion.


Only approved bots, which follow the guidelines for bots set by the instance, are allowed.


4. Shitposts and memes are allowed but...


Only until they prove to be a problem. They can and will be removed at moderator discretion.


5. No trolling.


This shouldn't need an explanation. If your post or comment is made just to get a rise with no real value, it will be removed. You do this too often, you will get a vacation to touch grass, away from this community for 1 or more days. Repeat offenses will result in a perma-ban.



Instance-wide rules always apply. https://legal.lemmy.world/tos/

founded 1 year ago
MODERATORS
 

Emotional support animals (ESAs) require no training, and ESAs are assigned to people who are not emotionally stable.

Dogs are also dangerous animals; it is known, and the reason for the use of dogs as guards & for personal protection. Dogs are also known to read their owners emotional distress, and assess what or who is causing the distress, then do something about the distress to help their owners. This is exactly why ESDs are used, but while extremely helpful & useful, to the dog’s owner, this behavior, when untrained, can be extremely dangerous to everyone who is not the dog’s owner. This danger is amplified when people around the dog are scared, or wary, of the dog, and further amplified if the owner is emotionally unstable.

This brings me to dog breeds; some are more dangerous than others, and some are less apt for the task/job of being an ESA. Therefore, if dog breeds that are dangerous or inept for the tasks of an ESD are not trained, and their owners are likely to be emotionally unstable: such ESDs, while essential to their owner, are a danger to everyone else.

Furthermore, it is hypocritical to expect the people around such ESDs to suffer emotional distress, as a result of the threatening ESD, for the sake of the ESD’s owner.

Thank you for reading my rant.

TLDR: Some dog breeds, if not all dogs, should be required to pass the same qualifications as a Service Dog in order to be registered & certified as Emotional Support Animals.

top 13 comments
sorted by: hot top controversial new old
[–] [email protected] 6 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I dunno man, this is a fairly popular take overall, among people who are involved in emotional support training. Also among people doing service training. Also among people that have genuine need for an ESA.

There's a big movement to place greater limits on what kinds of animals can be ESA. Breed wise, if the training was done to the same standards as service dogs, or ponies, it wouldn't be an issue. Way more dogs wash out for behavioral incompatibilities with service than you think.

Hell, I've heard arguments for limiting ESAs to only dogs, though that isn't useful or necessary imo. As long as the animal is either small enough to not be an issue, or is one that can be trained to standards, it isn't like the kind of training necessary is dog exclusive. Dogs are just the best at it.

Anyway, the arguments you're making are well supported by anyone with exposure to the issue on a professional level, so I had to throw the downvote for being at least mostly popular. Sorry, ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[–] kemsat 1 points 10 months ago

I don’t think it should only be dogs. I personally hate dogs, and find them to be unreliable. I’m not the only one, and if I legitimately needed an ESA, I would be unable to get one if they were only dogs.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Ah "emotional support animals" aka pets. If they were trained like a service animal, they'd be a serivce animal.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Fully agree.

At least the US no longer considers ESAs in a similar light to service dogs now, apparently people were abusing that to take animals into places they really shouldn't be, and to waive paying for their pets on flights (as well as have their pets beside them on the flight, rather than sit in a cage in the cargo hold)

My slightly related unpopular take would be, people should NOT touch or otherwise distract someone else's trained service dog. Real service dogs fulfill a necessary role for their owner, whose condition may require the dog's full attention to look for warning signs - such as e.g. imminent fainting, blindness, imminent panic attack etc, and even seek help for the owner if needed. There are a bunch of medical situations where an individual may not able to maintain control of themselves for a brief period of time

[–] kemsat 2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I’ve encountered service dogs, and they either wear something that says to not interact with them, or their owner will tell people not to.

[–] Mowcherie 1 points 9 months ago

There's service dogs for people with autism and part of their job might be to facilitate social interaction. So they might be given permission to get pet and socialize.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

ESA's have no special permissions to be anywhere other than a domicile that would not normally allow pets. I have my dogs registered as ESAs; it was the only way to keep them when I moved as I couldn't find anyone to take them and I was not going to put them in a shelter around here, since all the no-kill shelters were not accepting new animals.

There is another kind of psychological support animal, which I always forget the name of, that does require training to be allowed in stores, restaurants, and other establishments however.

Most people who bring their pets into places are just entitled pricks. They might have an official looking vest, but those vests aren't a requirement, are not official in any capacity, and you can easily buy them with "service dog" labels without any of the actual paperwork you would have if it was a real service animal; including an ESA.

[–] Mowcherie 2 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

The difference is in public access. ESA aren't protected by law to be in restaurants, businesses, etc. so even if they are untrained, they are not more dangerous than someone being irresponsible with a pet. Then normal pet laws and liabilities should be helpful.

In contrast, a psych service dog needs to be on point and behaving appropriately with proper training. They are protected and come into more contact with the public, so have higher levels of control required. There's public access testing and the like as tools to help safeguard this.

[–] RBWells 0 points 10 months ago (1 children)

You may be getting downvoted because this is a fairly mainstream position. Service animals, emotional support pigeons included, should be a regulated category, proven safe to take in public at a bare minimum.

[–] Mowcherie 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

An emotional support pigeon is not a service animal. ESA and service animals are entirely separate things.

[–] RBWells 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Right, but to bring any animal into a business should require proving it safe to be in public, whether it's a trained service animal or an emotional support animal. That is a reasonable regulation.

[–] Mowcherie 1 points 9 months ago

An emotional support animal has no public access rights under the law. They are not allowed in restaurants and businesses any more than pets are.

Yes, service animals must be safe, and should be trained and expected to perform well, as they have to go into public places as part of their work.

[–] [email protected] -3 points 10 months ago

Agree, and the downvotes you receive confirm it's indeed an unpopular opinion. And people seemingly can't handle it.

It's like we're back on reddit...