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Holding views that are fatal to modern society while enjoying its benefits… So hot right now! Maybe they’ll keep the dead half-husk of democracy that has all their stuff!

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[–] rockSlayer 47 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The right: "Genocide trans people!"

The left: "no"

Centrists: "these are both radical positions"

[–] [email protected] 34 points 1 year ago (5 children)

This isn't a centrist... It's a conservative.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 year ago

congratulations you figured it out
centrists are just conservatives who don't have the balls to be open about it

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago

Welcome to the joke bro

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago

They political spectrum has moved so far right in the states that a true centrist position would be considered socialist.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago

Wow, you've got it. Centrists just end up being people enabling conservatives and fascists.

These are the kind of people that will look for a compromise between "We want equal rights" and "Kill all (scapegoat of the week)".

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Or just a lame ass contrarian

[–] WaltJRimmer 26 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I used to consider myself a centrist. But in my not-all-too-extensive lifetime, I've seen some of my views go from being considered centrist to being considered leftist to being considered radical leftist without changing. At some point, I just decided to say fuck it, you want to label me a leftist nutjob, I'll roll with it.

Center is relative. And in the US, there's been a documented and deliberate effort from conservatives to push the country's political ideology further and further to the right for the past a little over fifty years, it started right after Nixon lost to Kennedy but really kicked into high gear during Nixon's first successful presidential campaign. So being a centrist used to be a reasonable position to hold. But it shifted. It moved. It was moved to the point where being a centrist means holding the expert and the kook in equal regard. If you really want to be a centrist between ideologies, between pure socialism and pure capitalism, between authoritarian and libertarian, between all the different political, social, economic and other ideologies, we don't have that. We're so far conservative economically, politically, and in most other ways that our "left-wing" party is right-of-center.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Why was Roosevelt's Workers Bill of Rights too radical and reasonable to oppose? I'll even go further, what was "so far left", that it was ever reasonable to oppose it and be a centrist?

to wit: an "economic bill of rights" to guarantee these specific rights:

Employment (right to work[notes 1])
An adequate income for food, shelter, and recreation
Farmers' rights to a fair income
Freedom from unfair competition and monopolies
Decent housing
Adequate medical care
Social security
Education
[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Saying that you are a centrist is the "Not like other girls" of politics.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

In my opinion, it's more like the "Nice Guy" of politics.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

This couldn't be more apt.

[–] FederatedSaint 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

"If you're not with us, you're against us."

[–] [email protected] -4 points 1 year ago

That's a Republican talking point!

[–] GopherOwl 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Responsible limits on campaign contributions are not remotely at odds with thinking money can be used on speech.

Writing a book is undeniably free speech. So why would it not be free speech if you pay out of pocket and self-publish? What if a group of people get together and pay to publish it as a collective?

Or how about Chevron running an ad saying "buy our gas." What if the ad says "buy our gas because global warming isn't real?" What if the ad says "vote for Eric Erickson, a staunch global warming denier?"

All are money, all are free speech, but not all are political speech. We don't need corporations or billionaires throwing unlimited money at political speech.

[–] WaxedWookie 7 points 1 year ago

It's also worth pointing out that corporations aren't citizens, and aren't people - they have no more right to first amendment protections than your pet parrot or Vladimir Putin.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

What if a group of people get together and pay to publish it as a collective?

Sounds like a corporation to me. What if the book is political? Now you've got a corporation throwing money at political speech. Can't have that.

The problem with the OP comic like most such comics is that it's demonizing the acknowledgement of nuance and considering arguments to have merit when they do. It can be simultaneously true that campaign finance laws serve a valid purpose for protecting democracy from regulatory capture, and that they risk enabling oppressive violations of free expression. There is nothing wrong with realizing this, people should be thinking things through enough to become conflicted about them.

[–] captainlezbian 3 points 1 year ago

The middle half duh

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)