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Holding views that are fatal to modern society while enjoying its benefits… So hot right now! Maybe they’ll keep the dead half-husk of democracy that has all their stuff!

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[–] FederatedSaint 12 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Now you see what "if you're not with us, you're against us" really means...

Never admit to being a centrist, because both sides don't see you as a potential ally, they see you as an enemy. Then you just end up everyone's enemy, despite the fact that you're just trying to get along and try to see different perspectives, make intelligent judgements, and do some critical thinking.

[–] Globulart 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

America sounds fucking awful. Why does anyone have to pick a side? Why do you have to be labelled anything political? Can't you just vote every 4 years based on your opinion at the time of the available candidates. The idea that someone leaps to defend their party regardless of who leads it is kinda childish.

In the UK the majority of adults don't wear their political allegiance on their sleeves as seems to be the case in the US (from my blinkered view admittedly, that may be unfair). It's rude to ask how people voted and you're not expected to make it known, obviously extremes exist and plenty of people make it their identity, but it's not a huge polarising issue and I have friends and family from both "sides".

The incessant need for everyone to be defined and put in their own category is a really bad thing for society. It's not a surprise that the world seems to run on black and white viewpoints more than it used to appear to. If people saw me as an actual enemy because I tried to see more than their own angle on an issue then I don't want them as friends tbh.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Never be a centrist because it means you have no convictions of your own. Don't be a political weather vane.

[–] Globulart 10 points 1 year ago

Have convictions about the shit you know about. But be prepared to change your mind on stuff you aren't an expert in.

I wonder how many people that strongly align to the left or right actually understand the detail behind the policies they defend so vociferously, 99% of people people are just parroting what their party tells them to say from what I can see.

Your opinion on climate change or whatever is the latest hot topic doesn't mean shit. Reading an article from your biased politically motivated "journal" doesn't mean shit. Listening to the actual experts and forming an opinion based on that DOES mean something, and it's got fucking nothing to do with politics.

[–] FederatedSaint 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Critical thinking > Ideology

God I need a fucking bumper sticker.

Stop blindly believing in what your "party" tells you to.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

I have never met a self-described centrist who was doing any critical thinking. And I say that as a former centrist who was not engaging in critical thinking.

It's almost always "there are two sides to this issue, and because there are two sides there must be some merit to both, so thinking that one side is right or wrong is bad, and so anybody holding particularly strong convictions one way or another must not be thinking critically". Which if you noticed, is a line of reasoning that doesn't actually engage with reality or the nuances of the situation at all. It's just a thought-terminating cliche that leads to not thinking about an issue, but then concluding that one is more enlightened than people who hold strong beliefs.

The second I actually started getting informed and thinking critically, I shifted drastically in my politics.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Unfortunately, centrists have just the right amount of the last few things to lack looking further into anything yet make a decision on shallow surfaces.

Which is EASILY manipulated by conservatives by simply lying that the other side is also doing their bad things. Boom. Now even turf to those who don't research.

Centrists seem to lack the ability to reach beyond their own worldview and cautiously accept what's in front of them to avoid rocking the boat.

Probably don't want to raise wages because it'd raise the price of hamburgers. Enjoy that now $12 Carl's Jr. Burger combo while you sit on not raising minimum wages. Scumbag.

*Sigh. I'm just frustrated at people willfully being blind to be happy. I get it... But it doesn't solve anything as evil continues marching on.

[–] Globulart 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

You've put a fair few words into people's mouths and then judged them for it here.

Could your own view be unfair? I see people from all sides coming to conclusions they aren't qualified to be confident in, and yet everyone seems to have 100% certainty in everything these days.

I see lots of right wing tits, I also see lots of left wing tits and centrist tits. Politicians are not experts in anything, their job requires them to try and become experts in everything and as a result they're experts in nothing but lots of people seem to take everything their preferred politician says as fact. Things are very rarely black and white but in the US that seems to have been entirely forgotten lately.

I know it won't go down well here but viewpoints like ACAB or "republicans are fundamentally bad people" are so reductive that it's almost funny.

When did people stop considering nuance?

[–] FederatedSaint 1 points 1 year ago

Same fucking thing. Believe what I believe or you're dumb, and you're the enemy. No room for debate, you're just a "weather vane" or sheep or something.

God you're part of the problem with this country..