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GOP salivates at the biggest campaign finance win since Citizens United (www.politico.com)

submitted 1 year ago by MicroWave to c/politics

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Republicans have waged a decades-long battle to blow up the campaign-finance laws that rein in big-money spending. Now, they are making a play that could end in their biggest victory since the Citizens United ruling in 2010.

The GOP is growing increasingly optimistic about their prospects in a little-noticed lawsuit that would allow official party committees and candidates to coordinate freely by removing current spending restrictions. If successful, it would represent a seismic shift in how tens of millions of campaign dollars are spent and upend a well-established political ecosystem for TV advertising.

An eventual victory in the lawsuit, filed last November by the National Republican Senatorial Committee and the National Republican Congressional Committee, would eliminate the need for House and Senate campaign committees of any party to set up separate operations to make so-called independent expenditures to boost candidates with TV ads.

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[–] Hazdaz 73 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

The biggest issue here isn't even this campaign finance change.

The biggest issue is that once again Republicans push a decades-long battle.

Conservatives play the long game. They push their agenda for years and decades at a time until it starts to stick.

Liberals can't focus on one topic for more than a few weeks or months before they jump onto the next big travesty that they try (but usually fail) to solve. The Left has the attention plan of a goldfish.

There's a reason why RvW has been thrown out, gun laws are the loosest they've been in decades and campaign finance changes happen, while we still don't have universal healthcare, parental leave, mandatory minimum holidays, etc. One side can look at the big picture and plan their strategy over many, many years, while the other side is endlessly losing focus by jumping to some fake crisis after another and never accomplishing anything.

[–] [email protected] 76 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Liberals can’t focus on one topic for more than a few weeks or months before they jump onto the next big travesty

No, it's more that there are a diverse group of liberals all trying to get attention for whatever issue their pocket is trying to address. The conservatives only care about one issue: Being at the top of the hierarchy. This means they're all working toward similar, reinforcing goals.

It's not an attention span issue. It's a divergent needs issue.

[–] Hazdaz 6 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Yeah, and which one gets things done? Maybe the Left should wake the fuck up and realize that focusing in on a handful of issues COLLECTIVELY will go a hell of a lot further than a million smaller issues focused in on by dozens of different sub-groups.

Conservatives get shit done by falling in-line and accepting that what is good for the larger group will help smaller conservative groups in the long run. A rising tide raises all ships.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Yeah, and which one gets things done?

The ones committing crimes and that cheats. The one that throws out centuries and decades old procedural traditions of our legislative body. The one trying to hurt as many people and burn the country down as fast as possible to get their agenda in so they can perform a coup.

I'm sorry Democrats aren't burning the country at both ends to succeed, but that's generally not what non-traitors do.

[–] MajorJimmy 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Play by the book, lose to the ones who burned it.

[+] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

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[–] MajorJimmy 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Hey, no need for insults, bud.

Any event, you're correct, the "book" exists because humans couldn't be trusted to do the right thing (and obviously, still can't). So because humans can't be trusted we set up rules they have to follow. But if they still say fuck the rules, then the rules only serve to hinder the side that abides by them.

I know it's a scenario of "they did it, so why shouldn't we" which is not exactly a great reason to go against the "book", but nonetheless, one side has no regard for the book, while the other side is hamstrung by it. They're already cruel with the book in place. Watch what happens when they burn it and the other side along with it.

[+] Nightwingdragon -8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I’m sorry Democrats aren’t burning the country at both ends to succeed, but that’s generally not what non-traitors do.

This is a very idealistic and naive view of politics in general. Politics is cutthroat. The entire political world plays by a completely different set of rules. Nobody cares how you get to the top. The whole point of the game is to get to the top through any means necessary, and then you can impose your will on others.

Think Game of Thrones, but without the dragons, hot women, and incest.

Democrats can say "Democrats aren’t burning the country at both ends to succeed, but that’s generally not what non-traitors do." all they want, but they often end up saying it while they're sitting on the sidelines. Sad but true in the world of politics: You can take the moral high ground, or you can win in the long run. Pick one.

EDIT: Downvotes don't change reality, people. To paraphrase another reply: You can play by the book, but you'll lose to the ones who burned it.

[–] Thaumiel 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Hey now. There's probably some incest.

[–] Nightwingdragon 0 points 1 year ago

Maybe some light incest......

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

(I am US based and this is my US based argument - please do not EuroTroll me)

But herein lies the problem. "Progressive" often means new or novel. Conservative mostly means "preserve the status quo." (I'm over simplifying for the sake of making a point, I know).

Conservatives are willing to sit on the status quo and work against change as they can. Progressives want to right wrongs NOW and make effective changes for the future. Unfortunately, because our society grows and changes quickly, and what is right today can be wrong tomorrow and the target moves, so progressive goals also move. Meanwhile conservatives are still plugging away at keeping the status quo.

I'm trying to say that the nature of progressives is to change goals and make things better, which makes it harder to coalesce around one goal for 10, 20, 40+ years. When your target is the past, its easy to keep that in sight as you go forward.

[+] SCB -6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Cool! Come join my team and let's get shit done. Here's my top 10.

1: federal ban on rent control and single family zoning. Ideally, end all zoning and let the market sort it out

2: free trade agreements with all non-sanctioned trade partners

3: immigration reform - you set foot on US soil and you're on a path to citizenship. End all deportations except for those on the path that also commit specified crimes

4: 0% corporate tax rate. Failing that, corporate taxes as low an international pressures allow

5: raise income taxes on the top 3 quintiles, and raise capital gains taxes, progressively. Increase property taxes substantially via adding a new federal property tax of X% of the unimproved value of the land.

6: federal ban on drug testing except in the case of injury or malpractice in the workplace, or as part of a parole/probation arrangement

7: federal mandate that states tie minimum wage to county cost of living, with biannual updates

8: public option for health care provided by an 18% increase in income taxes, in addition to the tax increases mentioned above. Include language that total employee compensation packages may not be altered as part of this policy. Employees pocket what employers are currently spending on healthcare.

9: Union reform. End right to work and legislate new laws that control how unions operate and when they are overstepping their bounds

10: criminal justice reform that builds upon the 13th amendment and forces penal work paid at minimum wage instead of prison time for all/nearly all non-violent offenses and some violent offenses

I'm going to bet you disagree with some or many of these, and that's why we don't have 1 lockstep party.

That's the difference between the two parties. We have fundamental disagreements, as democrats++, in how problems should be solved. Republicans fall in line behind "fuck democrats."

[–] Boddhisatva 6 points 1 year ago

Will Rogers said it best, "I am not a member of any organized political party. I am a Democrat."

[–] MedicatedMaybe 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The USA's days as a "democratic republic" are numbered. The only thing we can do is slow down the decent a little bit. Don't fool yourself that this country isn't on a fast track to christofascism. Its game man. Not only are we dealing with it from within we also have china and Russia foaming at the mouth with how successful their propaganda has been. 40 percent of this country is cheering it on and can't wait to become the spitting image of Russia.

Things are going to get a lot worse and I think it will happen faster than you think. Look how fast Florida took..... It was a swing state not long ago. Now it's one of the testing spots for how fascism will work in this country.

If you aren't a white Christian male you better figure out how to pretend to be one. Or at the very least get out of red states while you can if you can.

Because it doesn't seem like anybody in this country is willing to really fight against it. Off to the next thing I'm outraged about for a week and then moving on.

The new world order is coming and it's going to suck even worse.

Vote like your life depends on it because it just might.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Are you just telling me to grow a duck?

[–] MedicatedMaybe 2 points 1 year ago

Not sure how a duck would help but I can't imagine it would hurt. Now if you're talking about growing a dick you can either do that in your garden or pick one up at your local grocery store. The fun thing about growing your own dick is you can grow it to whatever size fits your needs. Just insert it into your manliest pants and they'll be none the wiser.

Also make sure you wear like a really gaudy gold cross necklace. Then you just want to go around town stating really ignorant things that you believe in that are very easily disproven. You really want to trick them you may have to indulge in their racist, homophobic, transphobic, or really any kind of derogatory talk will work.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

OK, but:

upend a well-established political ecosystem for TV advertising

boost candidates with TV ads

Even my Boomer parents are going streaming-only now; political consultants still love TV ads because they make lots of money off of them, and the need to spend lots of money on TV also powers the small-dollar fundraising / "can you rush me $17 RIGHT NOW" machine from which all sorts of awful people likewise take a generous cut, but how much of an impact is this actually likely to have?

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The article note that actual voters probably won’t see much of a difference. The main effect is an even more direct big donor to candidate money pipeline that will mean they’ll have even more influence than they already do.

Plus precedent of course, I imagine it’s usually easier to chip away at campaign finance regulations when you can cite other cases as evidence, but I’m no lawyer.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Sure, but isn't big donor influence largely due to how much their money can swing elections? If TV ads fade in importance and you can saturate your audience with cheaper targeted internet ones, rich guys are reduced to regular old bribery and you can only go on so many junkets a year.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That’s probably a trend but according to this (sorry dumb paywalled stats site but the relevant bit is in the free overview) as of now Broadcast TV is still the largest political ad market.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

That's actually kind of my point - they're spending the money on something that gets less effective every year, and it's not clear if there's any other expense that'll replace it. And most politicians hate fundraising, so if they can mount an equally effective campaign with less money I expect an awful lot of them will do so.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

TV ads

Does anyone watch TV ads anymore? I haven't watched a single TV ad since the NFL season ended in February. Even then I always mute.

[–] Adalast 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

What you talkin' bout? I get political "TV" ads on my YouTube all the time. Same on all streaming services. Hell, I have even seen them on games when I am being forced to watch them for whatever abusive advertising game I decided to stupidly try this week.

I am pretty sure that the law does not distinguish.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

What you talkin' bout?

I pay to remove ads on streaming services, including Youtube. If a streaming service does not have an ad-free option, I don't use it.

[–] Adalast 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I have done the same, but that has been getting quite expensive to do and my pay has not matched inflation even remotely.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Rotate the services and only pay for one or two at a time.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

Older people do. Higher level of voting too