I think you would HAVE to pull it right? Regardless of how many times the lever can be given to the next person, you are either killing 1/3rd lives in the scenario, or you are killing 1/8bil.
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Actually, if it doubles every time and we assume 8 billion is the max, you only need 32 people to not pull it. Maybe I'd bet on that. If I was in the middle I'd let it pass no question.
What if no one ever pulls it?
You win the game
Assuming the problem is infinite and considers physical factors, then it would happen at one point
Eventually somebody's going to pull the lever, either accidentally or deliberately, so it's best to flip it while it kills the least amount of people.
I guess b/c of that it's sort of like the regular trolley problem.
I think I like this more than the original prompt.
The original one served an important purpose, but this one is really, really neat.
um aktualy 🤓 the original problem was purely for philosophical purposes but not entertainmenatal purposes
Whoops, didn't mean to enjoy thinking about hypothetical people dying!
I guess it depends how far down it goes. Infinitely? Only enough for every person on the planet to be considered?
Theoretically, the correct option is to always switch down. Which, according to the original problem, would be doing nothing. So.. what if everyone just went home?
Also to consider; The people (and track) gets smaller every time. Maybe it ends?
Eventually it could come to a Joker guy who wants to kill as many people as possible, and you've given them the opportunity.
Yep. There's so, so few of those people, but they exist, and here that's enough to make all the difference if it goes on for a very long time. If it doubles every time you run out of inhabitants of Earth around switch 32, though.
Maybe eventually you're just killing lilliputians and borrowers, so... Win win.
In theory if the chain never ends this might be the only trolley problem where nobody has to die as long as nobody interacts. (If I understand it correctly)
but if the chain never ends, you're basically guaranteed that one of the people holding the lever down the line is a monster and will deliberately decide to kill the people, so you're likely to do better by killing the one person now
I've been thinking about this. I estimate a few people per 1000 would do an atrocity for no reason if they were guaranteed no consequences, and the deaths if the switch is pulled are 2^(n-1)^ for the nth switch. The expected deaths will cross 1 somewhere in the high single-digits, then (since it's outcome*chance), so the death minimising strategy is actually to pull yours if the chain is at least that long.
I find that counterintuitive, because the overwhelming most likely outcome is still no deaths if you let it go. Humans, myself included, just aren't good at tracking large numbers of things like victims intuitively, I guess. a 1/1024 chance of 1024 deaths feels like less of a big deal that 1 guaranteed death even if I would maintain that it's not.
Kill 1, u/spez.
Pass the buck 33 times.
keep this infinitely going until it floating point overflows or the trolley collapses due to rust
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