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[–] dhork 81 points 1 year ago (1 children)

If nothing else, this proves that Reddit admins don't fundamentally understand the platform. They may understand the back-end, and how to interact with ad servers to monetize content, but they don't understand how to effectively moderate communities. it never occured to them that they would need to scrub all the NSFW content before removing the tag?

In some places, that may even be illegal. And the Reddit admins have no one but themselves to blame, because they're the one that removed the tag without due diligence.

I've given up all hope for Reddit as a platform now. Mods should give up, too, and resign en masse. The Admins may be able to assign a few dozen of the largest subs to those power mods who are already favored by the Royal Court, but If this is any indication they have no way to maintain all of Reddit without the unpaid volunteer community they are shitting on.

[–] nero 11 points 1 year ago

Like those power mods would be able to do anything. Can’t moderate 3000 subs on your own lol

[–] 0485919158191 54 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Wtf are they doing at Reddit. What an absolute dog shit of a company.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago (1 children)

They're doing their very best. Uselessness is a Reddit core value.

[–] 0485919158191 11 points 1 year ago

Tbh. Someone's gotta be the best at being the worst!

[–] [email protected] 49 points 1 year ago (3 children)

These people running Reddit are idiots.

[–] ewe 18 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I have to imagine there are more than a couple reddit staff who are supremely annoyed/pissed about this whole mess. They probably work at reddit because they love it and now they have to oversee it being turned to shit.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago

Those are probably the ones constantly leaking internal spez memos.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 year ago

Hey! As an idiot myself, I take a fence.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago

The people running most large things, like reddit or countries, are idiots because people with half a brain are smart enough to see that that's not a position you want to put yourself in. Anyone who can see the enormity of the responsibility nope out a lot sooner than reaching that level of governance, and the idiots who can't see filter through.

[–] [email protected] 33 points 1 year ago (2 children)

This is great watching the drama from my new "home" here on kbin. I'm so happy that you all are here too, giving me tons to read.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

Same, props to the heros posting these!

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Is it though? It kind of feels like you broke up with someone but are still getting constant updates about who they're currently fucking the minute you left.

I guess that's some people's kink.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 year ago (1 children)

lol it's more about seeing how your ex is crazy and digging themselves a hole after you left them.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Yeah this is all real "dodged a bullet" energy and I love it.

[–] dhork 12 points 1 year ago

More like leaving a dysfunctional job for a better one and watching the place implode from outside.

I know spent so much time on Reddit that it seemed like a second job at times....

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

It's more like watching them post about how bad a date went or hearing about how they got kicked out of Wendy's.

I haven't subbed to any reddit related magazines/communities here but they pop up on all. I do think it's probably healthier for people and this platform to move on. I do get why people still want to hear about shenanigans.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

It's an ongoing shit show, and given the migration, it does affect us. So it is worthwhile to keep an eye on it.

Plus, many of us Reddit refugees cared about the communities we participated in. Even if we don't care for Reddit as a company anymore, we do care about the communities we left behind.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago

It will naturally taper off after the end of the month exodus happens and people settle down into their new communities. Lemmy doesn't have the underlying culture associated with it that reddit has developed over the last decade or so. That is something that will develop over time. until then we're all ex redditors more than we are lemmites.

[–] [email protected] 28 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I don't think it's possible that they could have handled this worse

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 year ago

If there's one thing I've come to realize during this whole debacle, it's that they absolutely can, and probably will tomorrow.

[–] Kept7963 13 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'm still struggling to believe that they've taken the wrong turn at every point.

When this whole thing happened I figured they'd soften their stance a bit, only to go back on it months or years later and essentially boil the frog slowly. I figured I'd just move to the official app, not that big a deal, especially if they improve it.

Yet 2 weeks later I've deleted reddit and running Jerboa now, the way the community rallied is nothing short of incredible and I'm really proud to be here.

[–] mcpheeandme 3 points 1 year ago

I wouldn't be here if it weren't for the way Reddit and Huffman, in particular, handled this mess.

I was bracing to try out the official Reddit app or, at worst, become an occasional desktop user.

But Reddit's heavy-handed, disingenuous, combative approach turned me off. Probably forever.

The fediverse feels like how Reddit once did, anyway.

[–] DrTeeth 12 points 1 year ago

Never underestimate the power of greed and stupidity. They can handle this worse. The NSFW subreddits are difficult if not impossible to monetise. Reddit is also one of the biggest providers of porn on the Internet. It'll be interesting how they resolve this conflict. I suspect that's when handling it worse will kick in.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That's fucked up. What there reasoning behind that?

[–] [email protected] 43 points 1 year ago (5 children)

I think it went like this:

Mods make thier subs private in protest

Mods get threatened to lose mod powers if they dont reopen thier subs

Mods reopen thier subs but only as nsfw subs

Admins decide to intervene by disabling nsfw

Admins accidentally (or on purpose idk) disable nsfw on porn subs

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I don't think it's porn subs.

Some subs went to allow NSFW (and porn) as protest, as you said, and reddit admins disabled the NSFW tag on those subs which decided to allow porn and become NSFW.

And so disabled the NSFW warning on porn posts.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 year ago

Mods also made a poll to ask if the community is okay making it NSFW

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)

"Never ascribe to malice that which can be explained by imcompetence."

¿Por que no los dos?

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago

I swear I've heard the term malicious incompetence before.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

To add to that, if a sub is tagged as nsfw, there are no ads (to not scare of advertisers). Some sub mods indirectly invited users to post porn, so they became nsfw subs by protest.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

It was great thinking IMO. They just care about the advertisements and investors. They don’t care about who will watch what content.

[–] Chainweasel 8 points 1 year ago

It sounds like they're just removing the NSFW tag site-wide instead of using the manpower to manually check each sub to see if it was NSFW before the protests.
What a fucking fumble, using the iron fist approach on the people who supply and moderate literally all of their content for free surely won't have any repercussions.

[–] ulu_mulu 21 points 1 year ago

They should tell this story to news oultlets, I bet many of them would be happy to publish it, The Verge comes to mind, they've been pretty accurate so far in covering the protest.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 year ago

They have long since abandoned logic. Just let it burn, I say.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

They have to pray Apple doesn’t hear that. Else they’d get a warning or get straight up booted from the AppStore.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago

That would be hilarious, the site would really be fucked if they did that.

[–] Darkbitslike 10 points 1 year ago

They are so desperate about trying to recover their loss from the blackout that they managed to mess up this badly which can potentially cost them even more.

Guess all their talk about the protest being pointless isn't really holding up after all. I mean, they couldn't even keep their narrative consistent.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Without defending the reddit admins as they seem to go bonkers atm but I am genuinely interested if there is any possibility to verify for us any claims made?

[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 year ago (1 children)

There are screenshots of the mod log showing the "Moderator Code of Conduct" admin account going in and reverting the NSFW settings on multiple subs. Yeah screenshots aren't always trustworthy but that's really the best you're going to get with this. It's not out of character for Spez though, so I'm not giving Reddit the benefit of the doubt.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 year ago (4 children)

As one of the mods of r/TIHI I can assure you the screenshots were real.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago

Thanks. I hate that they're real.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

Thanks, and thanks for fighting the good fight over there. Moderation is a tough and mostly thankless task and I can't even imagine it on a community the size of r/TIHI.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

Any chance you're modding a similar community here on kbin or Lemmy?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Thank you for showing me so many things I hated over the years.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I knew this would happen as soon as some sub went NSFW to protest and i still hate that it happened like WTF do they even check what they're doing or do they just don't care anymore cause even greedy bastards should know how stupid this is.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

The answer won't susprise you...

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