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[–] [email protected] 85 points 1 year ago (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago

This is a thing of beauty.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] ryan3150 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Nice reference

[–] Smartboystupid 22 points 1 year ago (6 children)
[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago

What air defense ~~doing~~?

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago
[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago

The dumb little thief used most of Russia's massive AA missile stockpile to commit war crimes (bombard civilians) after they ran low of their actual missiles (because they bombarded the civilians so much). They simply haven't got that many left. Also, Ukrainians got really good at finding and destroying the launchers. They have few missiles and fewer launchers still left. The few that are left are in use in the warzone, not 600km behind it.

Source: armchair general with zero actual military knowledge

[–] Zithero 2 points 1 year ago

Lol, Russia Air defense is an Oxymoron

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

I think they're busy not protecting the boats in the Black sea. It takes a lot of effort to not protect those boats, and they haven't got any spare personnel left over to not protect aircraft.

Meanwhile the soldiers on the ground will have to not protect themselves.

Hell if you're going to be conscripted by Russia then your best help is to get conscripted into air defence because it apparently doesn't involve doing anything.

[–] TerryMathews 11 points 1 year ago
[–] EyesEyesBaby 10 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Noob question, do the Russians even use their bombers? I only hear about rocket strikes.

[–] [email protected] 32 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

They use them to launch Kh-22 missiles.

[–] EyesEyesBaby 11 points 1 year ago

Ah thanks for the info

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

Some of their rockets are air to ground, and need planes to launch them.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (3 children)

As neat as it is to see all these drone strikes on Russian resources. I am very concerned of eventual migration to drone swarms on either side. You aren't taking out a swarm easily, it will reach whatever goal it intends. Whatever it may be.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Things like that are true with any new weapon. The C-Ram or the new laser weapon navy has should work well against.

Rheinmetall had video showing their done defense, it was made in 2021 https://youtu.be/pb5_F4_Eod8?t=3s

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

Conventional ammo is their answer to a modern drone swarm? I thought Rhein was better than that. Like, cool, you took out eight stationary drones. Now do a half mile wide swarm of eighty thousand coming around the ridge at speed.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Idk man, if I was going to try to shoot down a drone, I'd just use birdshot.

And assuming each of the eighty thousand drones costs $200 each including ordnance, that's a very significant expenditure on an attack. And I'm not even sure if it would be feasibly possible given limited bandwidth to control them.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I don't know mate, that's only 16 million. The price of an F-22 is $150 million. Spending a ninth of a jet to win a war by strategically targeting the capital seems pretty cheap to me. Bring it up to the full cost and you have 750,000 drones. You are going to get overwhelmed by drones no matter how much ammo you have. It is too much.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Oh, if you're talking about drones which can operate over long distances you're talking about $20,000 drones, or more expensive. You'd need satcoms and that isn't cheap or lightweight.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I am talking about small commercial drones that act like suicide bombers. They go one way and can be real cheap. Just deploy somewhat locally.

[–] droans 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You ever seen a commercial drone?

They'll work wonderfully at crashing into a window and falling onto the cement.

Plus you'd need to be within a very close radius to control it.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Exactly, that's the point. They crash into things and explode.

If you have 750,000 drones, they don't all need to be that accurate. Some are distractions, others carry explosive payloads. I have built drones. They can be done relatively cheaply. Bigger drones that carry more weight will cost more, sure. However on a military budget it is all just peanuts. You can get more range out of a drone than most people realize if you have the right antennas for it.

You could also have mothership drones that guide short range drones.

[–] droans 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

They won't cause any damage. They're just a bunch of thin pieces of plastic and a camera.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

They are explosive, all they need to do is find a target. Wars tend to fail when the leadership has all been assassinated.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

More expensive and less useful than you might think.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Tech gets cheaper each year and software becomes more advanced. You don't need wireless control when each drone can autonomously navigate to and identify a pre-programmed target.

The block II tomahawk cruise missile had that 40 years ago. That image processing and satellite communications capability is available in modern smartphones.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

It isn't conventional ammunition. Not at all.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

They move much slower than missiles, there videos where people were able to shut them down with regular weapons (you don't see that with missiles) so why automated system using conventional weapons wouldn't be effective?

[–] partial_accumen 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You aren’t taking out a swarm easily, it will reach whatever goal it intends. Whatever it may be.

I would think the future of defense against drones is directed energy weapons.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

An EMP might work, but you then lose all your nearby electronics. Doesn't help for a second wave though. I can't imagine EMPs are easily reusable.

I would be interested to see what a directed energy weapon might look like.

[–] partial_accumen 1 points 1 year ago
  • Laser
  • Plasma
  • Microwave
[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

Slava Ukraini!