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[–] foggy 34 points 1 year ago

I'm starting to think these politicians don't have our best interests at heart.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The Juliana plaintiffs’ fight will likely be buoyed by the recent landmark win in Montana, where a District Court judge ruled this week that the state Constitution guarantees youth plaintiffs the right to a “clean and healthful environment” — one without the ruinous effects of fossil fuels and the climate crisis.

Awesome to see the Montana case already having a positive effect. We’ll drag this government kicking and screaming out of its reliance on fossil fuels.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Unless it hits Trump's SCOTUS.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 year ago (4 children)

OK so there’s no denying the US is a democracy.

What you would expect in a democracy, however, is that the people choose politicians who best represent their interests in a range of topics.

How it feels like in the US, is the people get to choose who will enact the will of industry lobby, and in the
process will hopefully take a few of their views into account (mainly for re-election purposes), as long as they don’t conflict with the will of the industry lobby.

[–] FlyingSquid 13 points 1 year ago

OK so there’s no denying the US is a democracy.

Between gerrymandering, the electoral college and Citizens United, I would say there's room for denial.

[–] Arsenal4ever 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Each year, there are a handful of seats that are contested. Incumbents win a staggering amount of elections. I have a hard time voting for anyone who would vote in my interest. I usually vote against the party trying to destroy democracy.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

My argument here definitely isn’t against your voting strategy. Please keep on voting against the destruction of democracy. What I am trying to say is that this is not the way it should be, but I am sure we can almost all agree on that.

[–] TokenBoomer 0 points 1 year ago

See, a democracy.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago

The US, a democracy? Dont make me laugh.

[–] gmtom 12 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Shit like this is why the "both sides" argument holds some water. Not in the "both sides are exactly same so I might as well jot vote, or vote republican" way, because obviously the republicans are by far the worse party. But the Democrats are not the "good guys" they are just the slightly less shitty guys and we will never fix our problems just by voting for the lesser of the two neo Liberal evils.

[–] TwoGems 3 points 1 year ago

True but the point is you'd better suck it up and vote for the lesser of the two neoliberal evils or we'll never see the possibility of newer and more progressive candidates again if Republicans win.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Climate change is global. The US constitution isn't.
If anything, the constitution should provide for citizens affected by climate change.
But there is no way it can impact global "politics" (in quotes because like fuck is climate change just a politics thing).

[–] Wilibus 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Juliana was filed in 2015 by 21 young plaintiffs seeking to establish a constitutional guarantee to a livable climate.

That's a pretty tall ask to get a domestic US political document to counteract global climate change.

[–] TokenBoomer 2 points 1 year ago

Exhaust legal avenues before blowing up pipelines.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Here's more on the case and some discussion on the Biden admin's potential reasoning.

[–] TokenBoomer 0 points 1 year ago