this post was submitted on 15 Aug 2023
629 points (88.8% liked)

Technology

60084 readers
3861 users here now

This is a most excellent place for technology news and articles.


Our Rules


  1. Follow the lemmy.world rules.
  2. Only tech related content.
  3. Be excellent to each another!
  4. Mod approved content bots can post up to 10 articles per day.
  5. Threads asking for personal tech support may be deleted.
  6. Politics threads may be removed.
  7. No memes allowed as posts, OK to post as comments.
  8. Only approved bots from the list below, to ask if your bot can be added please contact us.
  9. Check for duplicates before posting, duplicates may be removed

Approved Bots


founded 2 years ago
MODERATORS
 
top 50 comments
sorted by: hot top controversial new old
[–] [email protected] 331 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (17 children)

Firefox doesn't implement the AudioData API, which is probably necessary for the waveform viewer and cropping tool Discord presents in the soundboard management UI.

Not everything is about Chrome DRM yall.

[–] [email protected] 60 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (6 children)

Yet another experimental API only supported by Chrome. Chrome has always been like this, implementing experimental API that hasn't been finalized yet. You might say they're innovating to support new technologies, but actually it's more like they're doing whatever they pleased, as demonstrated by their removal of jpeg xl support despite web communities plea not to do so (a new more efficient image compression, but not made by Google so screw it), pushing manifest V3 and ad topics, and recent push for web environment integrity API.

[–] warmaster 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)
load more comments (5 replies)
[–] Prethoryn 9 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Thank fucking people like you. The average Lemmy user just knows everything.

I have seen so many Lemmy users think they are better than Reddit users. Truth is, you are all fucking ass holes you are just different kinds of ass holes.

None of us agree with Google's choices but for fucks sake not everything is because Google chose it.

Sometimes it's just in the damn browser. Like fuck off.

I use Chrome and Firefox and have two different online personas with both.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 1 year ago

If you clicked the link. It says experimental technology. It's not mozilla's fault Chrome is adding features that are not standard. Sites like Discord for utilizing non standard API's.

load more comments (1 replies)
load more comments (15 replies)
[–] [email protected] 120 points 1 year ago (3 children)

And their desktop client technically is a browser without omnibar.

[–] [email protected] 33 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Electron is not just a browser. It's more like a native app framework that just happens to use HTML and CSS to render UIs. You can do anything the OS lets you do, not just what a browser environment would let you do.

[–] OskarAxolotl 33 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Electron is an unholy fusion of Chromium and Node.JS. Nothing more, nothing less. It doesn't 'just happen' to use HTML and CSS. It's literally just a browser with most of the default browser UI being hidden. Something like React Native would better fit your definition.

[–] MotoAsh 21 points 1 year ago (2 children)

It's not literally just a browser. It's literally just a web engine with a full set of OS calls hooked in. It is not a browser in the same way GNOME is not an OS. A browser comes with a whole lot more than a web engine, so calling it "a browser" is wrong both technically and colloquially.

load more comments (2 replies)
[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago

I'm on my lunch break from working on a React Native codebase, and I wouldn't say RN fits that definition at all... but I think we're just getting lost in semantics.

My point was just that a web app running inside a browser has to abide by the rules and limitations set by the browser, whereas Electron flips that relationship -- your app sets the rules and limitations of what can be done, and the web rendering process abides by whatever environment you create. You can do anything the OS permits. Even from inside a web context, if you want. You don't need a browser-managed sandbox to mediate your interactions with the OS.

load more comments (1 replies)
[–] [email protected] 55 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

I’m a little baffled by this one. File upload isn’t exactly some new HTML5.1 feature or anything. There’s no good reason they can’t have this handled properly.

EDIT - just for some additional context, I've never used this feature so I had no idea it was more than a mere file upload. Looks like Discord has chosen a non-standardized API that's currently only in Chromium, but if it were up to me I'd try to budget some time for a simple fallback in case someone's using Discord in Safari or FF.

[–] [email protected] 30 points 1 year ago

It’s probably the AudioData API.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I bet if you switch user agents it works just fine.

[–] [email protected] 92 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Here's what happens when you spoof a Chrome user-agent.

load more comments (2 replies)
load more comments (1 replies)
[–] abfarid 39 points 1 year ago (6 children)

There's really no reason to be mad at them in this particular instance. Their client is Chromium-based (Electron) so they will optimize their new features for that engine first. There's probably less than 5% users who Discord from browser, let alone Firefox, and I think I'm being generous with that number. Additionally, some things are harder to implement (or even impossible) in native web rather than Electron, that has all the NodeJS integrations.

load more comments (6 replies)
[–] mypasswordis1234 33 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (12 children)

I ditched Discord a few weeks ago. I moved to Matrix!

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Not to be discouraging, but i managed to quit discord for a few months, but i returned again, turns out many projects, even open source, use discord for discussion only

load more comments (1 replies)
load more comments (11 replies)
[–] PhiAU 30 points 1 year ago

codes a desktop OS specific program coded in C just to spite you

To be honest I absolutely hate everything being a browser app.

[–] walnutwalrus 25 points 1 year ago

element / matrix instead

[–] jesterraiin 22 points 1 year ago (1 children)

"Press THIS button if you want to enter anyway".

I think I need to fill a patent for this idea, since it's brand new, fresh and nobody has ever heard about it...

load more comments (1 replies)
[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 year ago (5 children)

There is FOSS wrapper for discord called webcord, if you have to use discord but want a bit more privacy.

load more comments (5 replies)
[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Discord is such an obvious "stay the fuck away from" product.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

With the same critical mass of users that most proprietary social media have, unfortunately. You'll be lucky to find certain communities on Matrix at all.

load more comments (1 replies)
[–] thecam 16 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Eventually I can see discord discontinuing their web client to push you users into installing their spyware.

load more comments (4 replies)
[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I said 'fuck you" to Slack for similar reasons. Going to same the same to Discord now.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Because firefox doesn't support it? Don't see why it's their fault

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 year ago (1 children)

They implemented a feature that is only available in Chromium and not part of the web standards yet. It's no different than websites that would only work on IE 20 years ago because of some proprietary Microsoft thing.

load more comments (1 replies)
load more comments (1 replies)
load more comments
view more: next ›