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Please fix Rule 1. (self.support)

submitted 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) by remotelove to c/support

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A shroom community was removed from lemmy.world as it was considered "illegal" content by the admins. The logic behind this is boggling, to say the least.

Marijuana is considered an illegal substance in some states in the US and is still federally illegal. /c/trees should be banned, correct?

Clown pictures of Putin are absolutely considered illegal in Russia, so that should require and immediate ban.

Freedom of speech can also be considered illegal in some places.

Incest is considered illegal so that should automatically trigger a ban on all incest porn, real or not. Hell, porn is universally taboo, so that shouldn't have any place on this instance, I guess.

You see where I am going with this? Rule 1 is a catch-all and needs clarification. Simply saying something is illegal is not quite enough. Owning and sharing pictures of shrooms is not illegal. Trading spores or mycelium is generally not illegal either.

This is not about me being salty (which I am) about the community being removed and forced to relocate. It's the odd bias that was applied to justify its removal.

Please note that I said fix Rule 1, not remove it. There are some really bad things on the internet that shouldn't use lemmy as a safe haven.

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[–] Zoldyck 113 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Oof, yeah I fully agree.

We should be able to discus drugs, because whether you like it or not, drugs are part of the world, and part of life of many humans.

Most of us use drugs on a daily or weekly basis. Nicotine, caffeine, alcohol, weed, etc. We should be able to talk about these things.

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[–] not_awake 80 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Okay I didn't expect stricter rules here than on Reddit honestly.

[–] fkn 69 points 1 year ago (4 children)

To be clear, this is an instance choice. You can still find drug friendly instances and subscribe to the communities.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

Lemm.ee is your friend

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[–] Cornpop 59 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Agree 100 percent, just because something is illegal it does not make it illegal to talk about it.

[–] khepri 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I wish other people were making this point as well. Certain content is illegal various places around the world, and I don't think anyone is saying we want the admins to risk that, but entire communities are - at worst - slightly more prone than others to having users post illegal content. If I post illegal content anywhere, sure, go ahead and remove/ban. But removing discussion of entire topics, just because those communities* might* be places where people might be a little more likely try and post such content, just isn't making sense to me. Isn't it the content, not the name of the channel, that's the issue, or am I missing something?

[–] [email protected] 50 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Y'all could set up on psychedelia.ink instead: "A Lemmy instance for all things psychedelia or psychedelia-adjacent."

There may be other appropriate specialized instances as well, that was just the first one that I noticed.

[–] cerevant 16 points 1 year ago (4 children)

This is the solution. Communities need to congregate on smaller, like-minded instances. It makes sense to concentrate users on large instances, but communities should be spread out.

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[–] Potatos_are_not_friends 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This is my leaning.

Y'all gotta stop that whining and really lean into the "Blackjacks and Hookers" solution.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Yeah, this is why I like topic-specialized instances:

They have admins that are actually interested in the topic and will tailor the rules appropriately.
Hopefully are set up in and administered from friendly jurisdictions, to reduce legal risk.
Will be less likely to shy away from the risk of (possibly frivolous) legal action, whereas the admins of a general instance are more inclined to play it safe.

We need to think of what we're doing here less as recreating reddit, and more as linking together all those old phpBB-style enthusiast forums.

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[–] [email protected] 45 points 1 year ago

I agree, it needs to be more clear about what would be removed.

[–] [email protected] 38 points 1 year ago

The piracy instance needs to be reinstated too. The admins of this community make Reddit look good.

[–] [email protected] 31 points 1 year ago

Agreed about the need for clarity. There’s probably nothing that isn’t illegal somewhere. So what’s the standard here?

[–] [email protected] 30 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Gonna be that guy. But just because something is legal in one place doesn't mean it is legal where the instance/owner is located. And the owner is protecting their own skin, I would do the same. Can also be realted to the host.

So as others have mentioned, it's better to find an instance welcoming this kind of content.

[–] wahming 48 points 1 year ago (1 children)

OP's point stands. If that's the case, be specific about it. Have a rule saying no drugs. Otherwise rule 1 is just a vague excuse to ban anything and everything

[–] madcaesar 18 points 1 year ago

This is a fair take. If world can't legally host this stuff say so.

Now if it won't do so, because the owner of world is some Puritan, then that also needs to be disclosed so I can immediately stop my donations to the sever.

[–] remotelove 33 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That is why I am asking for clarification around rule 1. I am sure many people would be glad to comply and start communities on other instances because of local laws and such.

It's an extremely vague rule, is what my point is.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago

I agree that it would make sense to be more clear. But how clear? List of all things that are illegal? Just those things thay differ from "normal" laws? But then what are we to set as "normal"?

Think the best would be to state where the instance is located and what national and international laws governing it. For example "No illegal content on instace based on German and EU laws".

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[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Just want to also point out that lemmy.world is already a huge instance and these communities would be better if they were spread out to more instances

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[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 year ago

Like banning pics n photos of MUSHROOMS whether psychedelic or not is FUCKING BAZAAR to me ... I don't get it... Are amanita mascaria banned, how about blue meanies , or is it just cubes ? Banning nature / biology / science(mycology) is idiotic

Is there magazines about alcohol, vaping and or tobacco ?

Cause I assure You (Lemmy) shrooms been consumed by humans for far longer then any substances that You allow discussions over, and it's one of those organic substances that's more good than bad (obviously it's not for everyone) but it's a great 😃👍 substance... "

"several antibiotics have already been isolated from various mushrooms and microfungi (including penicillin and griseofulvin, which are isolated from microfungi)"

Are you gonna ban the discussion over antibiotics next ?

/SMH

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 year ago (5 children)

A shroom community? That's disgusting, where?

[–] KroninJ 19 points 1 year ago

Not on Lemmy.world, I can tell you that much at least.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I think it's [email protected] now

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The Fdiverse already seems to be unraveling.

I always thought the model was flawed. Content from other instances should only be viewable and not copied to all instances.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago

Nah yeah bro, agreed.

[–] FinalBoy1975 9 points 1 year ago (2 children)

The question of legality on Lemmy is something that has to evolve and be discussed because of federation. Stuff on one instance gets replicated on others in other parts of the world. What factors should be the determining ones? The place where the instance is hosted? All the places where the content is replicated? Who is liable? The owner of the originating instance or all the instances that replicate illegal content? If this wasn't free and open, but rather a huge corporation, the fediverse would have a legal team to decide already.

[–] khepri 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

It's almost like our made-up borders and laws are somehow at odds with the fact that, in almost all cases, anyone can access any information from any place these days, and that information is replicated and stored across the globe!