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From the article: OLED and MicroLED are the future

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[–] [email protected] 69 points 1 year ago (8 children)

Now if I could just a "dumb" TV that doesn't have a bunch of built in apps, which apparently is now a huge ask. I just want my TV to display whatever HDMI port is currently selected. Not nag me about connecting it to WiFi every time I turn it on.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 year ago

But then how would they get that sweet sweet metric data they can resell? Think of the megacorps!

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 year ago

and not spy on me

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Look into commercial displays. They are meant for store fronts and guest areas. These screens are typically built a bit more robust than consumer TVs. They may only have one of each input ports, may lack soundboard and built-in tuners, but they have sleeker designs and lack smartTV bloatware. You may need more peripheral equipment for the screen to function as a home use TV. Just do a little research and see if this works for your setup.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I think there are expensive models that come without any software shit. However I simply "gave up" and don't connect the TV to any network. It doesn't see a network cable and won't get my wifi credentials. Therefore it neither needs nor receives updates. Everything "smart" is done by an attached Kodi box and a FireTV stick, which I both can exchange when their time is up.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This might not be a solution that fits your needs, but personally this is why I buy computer monitors instead of TVs now

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

What size of computer monitor do you use as a TV?

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

I have LG C1 that's not connected to the internet and I have not noticed any nagging. Pretty much just switch between HDMI outputs and that's it. Thankfully the input switch and apps are behind a different button unlike Samsung and their overly simple remote. (can even hold number button to switch to a specific source without menus)

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I just disabled the "smart" features on my Samsung S95B and set it to run the last used "app." Which is just the last used input.

It's not perfect, but combined with HDMI CEC I almost never need to go into the ugly menu. I don't mind the smart menus of the older TVs when it was a separate part of the TV you could ignore. But the integration in these new TVs where inputs are treated like another smart app and you have to go past apps to get to picture settings is just bad design.

Not to mention serving ads for each manufacturer's own streaming apps on a device someone spent a lot of money on us completely unethical. But at least disabling the Internet features took care of that issue.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yikes! So you mean you just can't switch inputs without the smart TV side anymore? Time to avoid the Samsungs then...

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You can switch inputs. But it forces you to go through the home screen to do so. And to make things worse, game consoles are relegated to a different section of the home screen (there's gaming and media).

It's an awful user experience initially. But once I disabled a lot of it and just got a Roku, it's a great TV. But I wasn't going to spend the extra nearly $1k to get the Sony QD-OLED, and I have beef with LG since they made me wait nearly four months trying to get a refrigerator repaired or replaced under warranty (and it was a no cool problem... Not like a broken ice maker or something). So I stay away from LG.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I had the same battle with Samsung over my fridge. Never buying a Samsung fridge again after this, had 2 replacements under warranty since October 2020, which is when I bought it.

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[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Can they please just bring back actual buttons instead of invisible tap points where you can't tell where the fuck they are?

[–] candyman337 9 points 1 year ago (2 children)

These days most tvs have the "nipple" navigation which initially seems stupid but is genuinely the most natural navigation system I've ever used

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

No. You'll suffer the invisible tap points because they can advertise that feature and ship more units.

How do you fuck up televisions? It's the simplest thing and these corporations just need to fucking meddle.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I have been reading about MicroLEDs for years now, never bought any OLED because of the burn-in. I'm curious when MicroLEDs will actually hit the mass-market and at what price-point and also how they will scale for smaller screens.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I've had my QD-OLED for a little while now and it has had quite a bit of static images on it without any trouble. From what I read before I bought it, OLEDs in general really don't have a burn-in issue like the early models did.

From what I can tell they're better than even plasma was at the end. And you'd have trouble actively trying to get permanent burn in on some later model plasmas. I used to service TVs and appliances. In most cases outside of using a plasma display for digital signage, I'd be able to run a swiping pattern for a little bit to get rid of the image retention. The only exception I really had for a plasma that was used in a residence was an older couple who didn't have a widescreen source and only watched shows in 4:3 aspect ratio. They finally got the HD channels from their TV provider and realized they had the bars on the sides burned in (really the screen aged unevenly).

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[–] DestroyerOfWorlds 15 points 1 year ago (1 children)

wow, this whole comments thread is just like reddit. love it, keep the faith ya'll!!

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

It’s only been a few days and things are looking up

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I am going to skip LCD tvs altogether. Right now I am still using my first hd tv, a Plasma TV from 2008, and when I replace it, it will likely be with an OLED.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago

OLED's are just the way to go.

[–] Waitwuhtt 2 points 1 year ago
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[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago (6 children)

I'd love to have an OLED tv. I just need a good reason to get one. The tv I have now works just fine (unfortunately).

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

I, too, won’t replace something until it dies. Even if an upgrade is long overdue.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

An "accidental" hammering can fix that real quick like.

[–] odigo2020 6 points 1 year ago

Or just break out the old Wii Sports and "forget" the wrist strap.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

Let me try to improve it. That thing will be broken in no time.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Mine flickers when room temp is above 75 and gets jacked at 78.

The G3 is looking extremely appealing in all dimensions except price.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

Same, I have a plasma and it works great, doesn't even know what HD ready means, but displays 1080i.

As long as HD is the max res the TV box gives, I don't see reason for an upgrade. (especially for a luxury item that is mostly background noice/movement)

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Wow it's insane how fast technology goes. Feels like yesterday the first LCDs were releasing, but apparently not!

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Aren't MicroLED displays LCDs?

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago (4 children)

No, you’re thinking of LCDs with miniLED backlighting

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[–] lka1988 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Micro LED screens are just trying to be like OLED but shittier. Micro LED has lighting "zones" behind the pixels, which is supposed to only light up the area where the pixels are actively being used, (i.e. not totally black) but it often leads to "blooming", which affects even expensive ass devices like the 5th gen 12.9" iPad Pro.

[–] Blissingg 5 points 1 year ago

Wrong you're talking about MiniLED not MicroLED. MicroLED is individual pixels, MiniLED has Zones.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MicroLED

"microLED, also known as micro-LED, mLED or μLED is an emerging flat-panel display technology consisting of arrays of microscopic LEDs forming the individual pixel elements."

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I bought a QLED LCD 8k Samsung in 2019 and tbh it’s an incredible display because of its high nit count, local dimming zones and AI upscaler.

I’m a bit out of the loop, can these new technologies go to that resolution yet?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (3 children)

That's incredible! Is there a noticeable difference between 4k and 8k? What do you use it for?

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago

Not OP but one benefit to 8K is that it evenly scales into not only 1080p and 4K, but also 1440p and several other resolutions. So although 8K content doesn't really exist, if you game a lot at 1440p, it can look cleaner than a 4K TV

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Man I'm still rocking my Samsung plasma TV from 2011. No need to heat the house with the amount that TV gives off but still works great.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

That's great, it means LCD TVs have hit maturation point.

[–] Vulnicura 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Do they still get burn in? that was my only problem with non-LCD TVs.

[–] mglap 5 points 1 year ago (4 children)

No, they still get burn in. They also aren't very bright out of the box, and they get dimmer over time. They're also more expensive than LCDs despite having a limited lifespan. I've never been a fan of OLEDs for these reasons and my theory is that manufacturers want to sell them because they have a limited life span so they can sell more.

MicroLED I'm super pumped for though. No clue when we can actually expect to buy them though.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (3 children)

LCD TVs can still improve via faster refresh rates, strolling backlights, and smaller local dimming zones. If the last part can be made small enough, then it would be very hard to tell the difference between an LCD screen and a emissive display. These facts shouldn't be ignored by display companies.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

The problem is that we are reaching a point where it is cheaper to achieve the same or better results with OLED or microLED than by dumping even more money into improving LCD.

We are already at a point where OLED provides a straight up better value than LCD in higher end price brackets as long as peak brightness is not your #1 priority.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago

I'm going to have see a display that truly solves the burn-in problem before making that proclamation.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

Makes sense. I haven’t considered an LCD tv in more than a decade.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

Hopefully, that means they become much cheaper even for bigger screen sizes

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