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[–] ChonkyOwlbear 83 points 3 days ago (5 children)

A coworker of mine started falling down the YouTube conspiracy rabbit hole. He said something about the moon landing maybe being a hoax. I told him that when I was in college I used the big telescope to look at the moon landing site, so I knew for sure it was real. After that, he believed in the moon landing.

Now of course I was lying about seeing the moon landing site. Terrestrial telescopes can't see the landing site. I convinced my friend to believe the truth by countering a lie from a stranger with a lie from someone he trusts.

[–] [email protected] 60 points 3 days ago (1 children)

update us when he finds out terrestrial telescopes can't see the landing site and thinks you're a deep state cia agent trying to hide the truth lol

[–] Klear 12 points 3 days ago (1 children)

You used to be able to see it using a terrestrial telescope, until they put all the contrail crap in the atmosphere.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 days ago (1 children)
[–] Klear 5 points 3 days ago
[–] [email protected] 29 points 3 days ago

I upvoted this, and then I was like "wait a sec... are they fooling us?" and had to look up if you can't see the moon landing site from Earth.

Of course you can see the site, but indeed no telescope has enough resolving power to see any items left there. So I guess you didn't fool us this time.

[–] dual_sport_dork 20 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Pedantry alert, neerrrr:

You can see the moon landing sites easily enough if you know where to look, and can match up the geography easily. What you can't do from the ground is what a lot of folks expect, which is see any of the left behind equipment, rover tracks, boot prints, flags, etc. for a couple of reasons. First, the features are too small to be physically possible for a purely optical telescope to actually resolve. And even then, the random motion of the Earth's atmosphere would distort your image too much to make out anything that small at that distance.

[–] YarHarSuperstar 3 points 3 days ago (1 children)

random motion of the Earth's atmosphere

Are you able to elaborate on what you mean by this at all please, or possibly suggest a direction to look in to find more about what this means and the implications?

[–] dual_sport_dork 9 points 3 days ago (4 children)

Have you ever looked at something on the horizon and it's all shimmery and wavy and won't hold still? That's because air (and moisture in the air) diffracts light. And the air is not still, either. When you're looking an incredibly small object that's extremely far away the effect is rather like trying to see through one of those pebble textured glass shower doors, except if it were moving and the object you were looking at were the size of a gnat. And also several miles past the door.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 days ago

Just to add to this, air at different temperatures and moisture levels bends light to different degrees, which is why the layers and pockets of air that form our atmosphere make stars shimmer. It’s partially why astronomers are so eager to get telescopes into space (like Hubble and the James Webb), since the lack of this effect lets them resolve much smaller light sources than you could hope to beneath the atmosphere.

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[–] YarHarSuperstar 5 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (2 children)

Have you been telling this story a while? Or are you intentionally taking credit for something you didn't do for meme cred?

Edit: actually double xp meme credit, including the OP meme cred of lying for the meme and also the meme-ness of telling the story as OC

[–] [email protected] 13 points 3 days ago (1 children)

You can trust them. I saw them doing that while I stalked them with a telescope.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I am currently stalking you with a telescope. Can you stop masturbating that frequently? It's not normally

[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Never!!! I use it as a workout.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Just use the other arm once...

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 days ago

I like the asymmetry, it adds to my crude charm.

[–] ChonkyOwlbear 1 points 2 days ago

I have told it a couple times in various places over the years. It's entirely possible you've read it before.

[–] SpaceNoodle 3 points 3 days ago (1 children)

That's exactly the sort of thing I was thinking about. White lies to steer people away from fear and hate ... benevolent demagoguery?

[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 days ago

In ATLA, there's an infamous episode called The Great Divide.

Aang tells a lie to get two tribes to stop fighting a pointless feud that's been going on a hundred years or so. And the fandom seems to get all huffy about that.

I think he did the right thing. If there's nothing to prove he's lying about how the feud began, then there's nothing to prove about why it should continue either.

[–] niktemadur 55 points 3 days ago (4 children)

Plot twist: there is no direct evidence that Twain ever said such a quote. Which is very fitting for this meme, its' very point itself.

[–] arotrios 27 points 3 days ago (1 children)

You found the Easter Egg.

I hearby dub thee, @[email protected]...

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

Hey, that was their name already! What are you trying to pull!

[–] arotrios 6 points 3 days ago (3 children)

Holy shit - the plot thickens...

Does this mean that no one is the Meme Master?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Oh word? So they’re the one behind all those “no one:” memes?

[–] arotrios 7 points 3 days ago

Nah, that's nobody...

[–] niktemadur 2 points 3 days ago
[–] YarHarSuperstar 2 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

You missed a really funny opportunity by not faking that screenshot

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 days ago

'Can we reach quoteceotion by Twain quoting Churchill?'

  • Einstein
[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I'm convinced that you tried to fool me

[–] [email protected] 11 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

... Fuck. Fine, I'll look it up.
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Okay, he didn't use those exact words, but he said "How easy it is to make people believe a lie, and how hard it is to undo that work again!".

Source: https://quoteinvestigator.com/2020/12/23/fooled/#180a2d81-ad60-4996-9c9a-3b9cd697903c
Which cites https://books.google.com/books?id=Q6c2AQAAMAAJ&q=%22believe+a+lie%22#v=snippet&q=%22believe+a+lie%22&f=false

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 days ago

Wow, I expected it to be totally fake like most quotes on the internet but I 5d-chessed you into looking it up for me. Thanks!

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[–] Mr_Dr_Oink 22 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I wanted to see if this was really a quote by Mark Twain and found this article on snopes which states that there is no evidence linking this quote to Twain. Instead there is a quote from one of his books with a similar sentiment so its possible it was someone paraphrasing Twain

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/did-mark-twain-say-its-easier-to-fool-people-than-to-convince-them-that-they-have-been-fooled/

So, ironically, the quote is meta AF.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 days ago (1 children)

That quote originated from Michael Scott.

[–] Mr_Dr_Oink 4 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Who copied it from Wayne Gretzky

[–] Klear 6 points 3 days ago

- Mark Twain

[–] [email protected] 22 points 3 days ago (1 children)

"To fool a person is easy; you just need to overcome their intelligence. To convince a person they have been fooled is difficult; you have to overcome their pride." I forget where I read that.

[–] Klear 8 points 3 days ago

"If you want to be remembered forever, come up with a clever quote"

- Anonymous

[–] ceenote 29 points 3 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

"All the conman did was take his money. You made him feel stupid."

Don't remember who that quote was from, and that's certainly not the exact quote, but I always liked it. If it rings a bell for anyone, I'd like to know.

Edit: CW: Reddit. It was David Frum, apparently. In spite of that I still like the quote.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

"Every time an engineer designs something that is foolproof, the universe will design a bigger fool."

[–] arotrios 2 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Or, as has been my experience:

"Every time an engineer designs something that's foolproof, it's destined to prove him a fool in the end."

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 days ago

Urgh, when you forgot to check the fool-performance charateristic curve on the datasheet and it was on a log scale.

[–] HappySkullsplitter 13 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Need to fool people into knowing that they've been fooled

[–] Trex202 9 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Need to fool them into being critical thinkers.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 days ago

Criticize fools, got it!

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 days ago

Need to fool them into thinking they are critical thinkers while controlling them

[–] Captain_J 2 points 2 days ago

Truth. Just look at the world right now.

[–] techclothes 3 points 3 days ago

All we have to do is fool them correctly then! Right?

[–] Clinicallydepressedpoochie 2 points 3 days ago

So can we fool them into being unfooled?

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