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[–] Rhoeri 2 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

I’d love to see someone post a viable plan for America to overcome this problem. Because right now- there isn’t much that can be done that isn’t being done already. And I’ll add that it’s always so easy to look upon the problems of others and judge them as simple to solve, isn’t it?

I mean… how many of you all were in favor of Brexit? From my recollection, it wasn’t very many. Yet- it didn’t seem like anyone did fuck-all to stop it. From over here, it almost seemed like even was totally fine with it.

Additionally, it should be noted that he now has our military loyally shoved up his ass and with them- the technology to turn one house into a crater while leaving the one next door entirely untouched. If you haven’t noticed. We can’t seem to organize a decent-sized nonviolent protest. Hell, we couldn’t even vote this away knowing it was going to happen. The number of citizens that wanted this to happen outnumbered those that didn’t, and was actually helped by the remainder that refused to vote because of single issue bullshit and the fact that they’re fucking idiots.

I’d be willing to bet that there’s not a free-thinking and capable person here that wouldn’t fight for their lives and the lives of those they love if/when it comes to it- but as of now, anyone with a brain knows how futile any fight would be.

But by all means, don’t let this get in the way of all the fun you’re having making fun of people that are suffering and terrified about what’s being done to them here.

[–] wowwoweowza 1 points 40 minutes ago

This post reminded me of the flood of volunteers from around the world who supported the anti-Franco armies during the Spanish civil war.

I was getting my history from Hemingway so I decided to WIKI it and learned that the UK and other European countries supported Franco. Figures.

That was thirty years of facism.

[–] ArchmageAzor 1 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

All of America is waiting for somebody to come along and save them, but nobody wants to be the one that gets the ball rolling. Fascism is going to win because Americans are too cowardly to act.

[–] wowwoweowza 1 points 50 minutes ago

Fascism never lasts too long. Inserts famous photo of Musolini

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

I am on my scooter today putting up these flyers; I encourage everyone to spread the news

[–] wowwoweowza 1 points 51 minutes ago

I’ll get on my scooter and do the same

[–] [email protected] 13 points 15 hours ago (2 children)

If we revolt the cops will shoot us.

[–] ArchmageAzor 2 points 1 hour ago

If you don't revolt you will lose everything.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 14 hours ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 5 points 14 hours ago

They'll shoot the upper middle class white people too though.

[–] rockettaco37 20 points 22 hours ago* (last edited 20 hours ago) (2 children)

I agree that apathy is really fucking shitty, but you guys abroad have to realize that there are groups of people who genuinely are trying to get things to change.

By pissing on these people who are celebrating protests, you're weakening the will of the people to fight back. People aren't going to want to change when they don't feel like it'll do anything.

If you want a fire to grow, the best thing you can do is throw some lighter fluid on it instead of water

[–] [email protected] 1 points 14 hours ago (2 children)

Protests are like throwing snowballs at a snow plow thinking it will make it stop.

[–] rockettaco37 2 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

It's still early days. We need all the momentum we can get. If things continue going the way they are, it won't take long for it to evolve beyond just protesting

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

Not if the clowns at 50501.zone have anything to do with it. They wanna control the narrative so hard

[–] rockettaco37 2 points 1 hour ago

That's what happens in echo chambers.

[–] ArchmageAzor 1 points 1 hour ago

There are many kinds of protest. The kind you're imagining with walking around carrying signs is one kind, and doesn't accomplish much in this situation. But there are other kinds of protest that may well work.

[–] syreus 1 points 16 hours ago

I tried to go to the recent protest but my job made it impossible. Sadge.

[–] hakunawazo 1 points 12 hours ago
[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

I mean, I'm American and if I had to pick one, we're definitely that latter. It's just that I grew up here, so it's more readily apparent to me that the conservatives who screamed about muh guns muh constitution were always operating in bad faith. Kinda like how the conservatives you guys are about to elect are operating in bad faith when they talk about how very worried they are about immigration.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 day ago

100%

The gun-totin, "don't tread on me," larping persona crowd have always been first in line to bend the knee and lick the boot of the weakest strongman.

Uvalde's tragedy is a complete example: 400 armed, "trained," professionals, all too cowardly and incompetent and deficient in character to actual do the job they thump their chests over.

Every Conservative boast about strength and power is performative nonsense to mask their deep and unabiding fears and insecurities.

[–] Clinicallydepressedpoochie 21 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 day ago (1 children)

See, now i have this rule also. I see your name, i upvote.

[–] wowwoweowza 5 points 1 day ago

I upvoted it too.

[–] [email protected] 48 points 1 day ago (5 children)

Jokes aside. I realy don't get why there is so litte backlash against trump. This guy is doing some insane shit and everybodys like: hmm yea that sucks. Thats the same people that allways said that other people in autocratic countries should "just" revolt and that they would have fixed everything allready. Currently you still have the right to protest, but still nothing realy happens. Sure there are a few demonstrations, but nothing that will actually change anything.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 day ago

Too many are still trapped in the "it can't happen here" denial that they've been in for the last several decades. Some are waking up to the fact that many of us have been shouting that this isn't "just making it through four years" but, it's really looking to be too little too late.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 day ago (5 children)

We all have AC, refrigerators, and TVs. As long as that keeps up, everyone, including me, won’t choose combat.

Fixing this is going to take blood. We won’t do that while we are fed.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

It's fundamentally understood that the republic is dead, and neither peaceful protest nor normal legislative or judicial processes will work on the Trump administration. It doesn't help that pushing the opposition party to do anything has led them to bitch and whinge about how they're being bullied by their constituents. All that's left to us now is submission, balkanization, and/or violence. Most people are still trying to get a read of the room and aren't ready to throw down their lives yet. For my part, I'm supporting a California Secession initiative.

[–] wowwoweowza 6 points 1 day ago

Think about the 9 months of turmoil we created after Derek Chavin murdered George Floyd. We are not so gutless.

I believe we are all waiting for the gloves to come off and then… it’s cities on flame.

500000 demonstrated on so called Presidents may. Maybe a million. Press didn’t cover it. In my small city of 300K there were 5k demonstrating.

This is a far cry from actual revolt and resistance. We also have the recent example from patriot Luigi Angioni. Things can happen.

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[–] GraniteM 7 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)
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[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The "average" American, much like the average human, is driven by "feels" rather than facts.

They will rail against "socialized medicine" because they live paycheck to paycheck, don't manage their finances in any meaningful way, and have no idea how much their healthcare is actually costing them. Spoiler: it's A LOT.

They will demonize immigrants because it's easier to blame random brown people for "stealing our jobs" than it is to hold giant corporations accountable for closing the plant and moving jobs somewhere cheaper.

They will gladly feed women's rights into a wood chipper over the idea of "saving babies", until that baby starts to make demands (on day one of it's life). Then it's an "entitled taker."

They will brag about America being the "greatest country in the world" and in the same breath, complain that we need to "make America great again", while completely missing the irony.

They will happily drink up as much propaganda as possible because it gives them someone to blame for their problems and allows them to believe that constant manufactured outrage is a solution, even though it's really just a distraction.

They spent so much of their time believing and repeating the lie that the United States is comprised of "rugged individuals" and that if things have gone poorly for you, that is somehow entirely and unquestionably your own fault. Upon finding that things have gone poorly for them, they can't reconcile this incorrect belief with the fact thar they didn't necessarily do anything wrong. This is incredibly and understandably demoralizing.

I'm painting with a broad brush here. Not every American thinks this way but a lot of them do. I don't really know what it's going to take to get us back on the right path but I think a good place to start is by taking notes from John Donne, the English preacher and poet who wrote, "No man is an island entire of itself. Every man is a piece of the continent. A part of the main."

I don't and will never sympathize with Nazis and fascists. I do understand some of the things they're frustrated about. The only way forward is for them to accept that in order for things to get better, it has to get better for all of us. Shooting holes in the someone else's corner of the ship only makes their corner sink a little faster than yours. I just hope they figure that out before we're all completely under water.

[–] wowwoweowza 9 points 1 day ago (1 children)

You described MAGAts not Americans.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago)

One of those is reeeeally making the other look bad. I grew up in the time before Germany really started leading the free world, when holo tropes had them in a really negative light. It's like mistakes made by Germans 2 generations ago hurt their image still.

I worry magats have created a shitty image that all yanks will get to wear for 40+ years. And people I know in America who are really great people who don't deserve that.

[–] I_Has_A_Hat 13 points 1 day ago (7 children)

Lack of job protection

Lack of healthcare protection

Inability to miss or reduce even a single paycheck due to cost of living

It's winter, and most major cities North of Texas have had below freezing temps with brutal wind chill for the past several weeks

The recognition that no protest in the last 20 years has accomplished anything in the US.

Put that all together, and is it any surprise people aren't protesting?

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

And being 4 times the distance from Washington DC as London is from Berlin.

If I were to protest at my governors office, he'd just be agreeing with me in my blue state. And even my governors office is over 600km away.

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Massive protests are happening here across all 50 states. Unity is happening. Momentum is building.

[–] wowwoweowza 6 points 1 day ago

I was at one that I wouldn’t call massive but yes— it is hard to let our non-American friends know what’s happening because the President day protests went almost ignored in the media.

[–] AllYourSmurf 18 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

We must be waiting for the avengers.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 day ago (5 children)

Half the country actively wants this. It wouldnt be a revolt, it would be a civil war. And Im not even sure the sane people would win this time.

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