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Meanwhile, the French financing will include commitments from the United Arab Emirates, American and Canadian investments funds and French companies like telecommunications firms Iliad and Orange, and aerospace and defense group Thales

A few days before France’s AI Action Summit, which kicked off on Monday, the UAE said it would invest between 30 billion euros and 50 billion euros in the construction of a one-gigawatt AI data center in France as part of a campus focused on the technology’s development.

https://www.cnbc.com/2025/02/10/frances-answer-to-stargate-macron-announces-ai-investment.html

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

Then they can ask the chatbot how to get the country out of debt.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 hours ago

Believe it or not this is part of it, can't make money to pay down debt if no one wants your stuff and you're years behind everyone else

[–] [email protected] 4 points 8 hours ago

macron is exhausting

[–] ZombieMantis 3 points 8 hours ago

Ah, so this is why they can't afford the old, more generous pensions? Got it.

[–] RageAgainstTheRich 18 points 22 hours ago (2 children)

Cool...cool... can't wait to ask the 100 billion euro ai to write me a funny.. Now do a 100 billion to fight against climate change please 💔

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 hours ago

Or just 10 billion into the school system? Please? Anything?

[–] TankovayaDiviziya 0 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

Serious question and not trying to be funny, but how is AI going to solve climate change? We already know the answer, but the world is too greedy to do anything about it. As a matter of fact, AI will worsen climate change since more power is needed for it to write couple of sentences.

[–] ZombieMantis 4 points 8 hours ago

I think you misread their comment, they're asking for a separate €100 billion in climate spending.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Investing money in ways to lower the retirement age, or at least stopping it to get higher.

Or give money to nvidia.

The choice is clear for this great leader.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 hours ago

Labor automation kind of is a way to lower the retirement age.

Of course how you use it is a matter of politics.

[–] [email protected] 28 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Will this be done through funding colleges and universities, doctorates and other publicly funded projects and initiatives?

If so, good. AI might be a good tool, after a long, curated, legally directed and supervised, period of investigation, to create safe tools for public use.

If not, and this money is to be thrown out to private companies, with little to no oversight, it is pure waste of resources, badly needed to fund other social sectors.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Looks like it is comparable to the US Stargate announcement, the money is coming from private companies and going into private investment, which is amazing, I wish France24 had been a bit more specific:

Meanwhile, the French financing will include commitments from the United Arab Emirates, American and Canadian investments funds and French companies like telecommunications firms Iliad and Orange, and aerospace and defense group Thales

A few days before France’s AI Action Summit, which kicked off on Monday, the UAE said it would invest between 30 billion euros and 50 billion euros in the construction of a one-gigawatt AI data center in France as part of a campus focused on the technology’s development.

https://www.cnbc.com/2025/02/10/frances-answer-to-stargate-macron-announces-ai-investment.html

European companies investing in Europe AND into leading edge technologies? Crazy

[–] seven_phone 37 points 1 day ago

See that bandwagon over there, I am going to jump on it.

But everyone already is on it.

Merde.

[–] apfelwoiSchoppen 58 points 1 day ago
[–] ekZepp 12 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

I'm not a big fan of Macron, but in all honesty, "the genie's out of the bottle" and we need some way to protect ourselves and the news media from ANY "foreign AI" influences.

As long as the European countries stay true to their guidelines, this should just be considered as a necessity.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (16 children)

Macron, you stupid slut, there's been nothing but news for the past month about how cheap you can build a competitor to the former top models.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Heheh, but reportedly, the hedge fund that owns Deepseek has 1.6 billion worth of servers. Plus they need to pay electricity, employees... and researchers and computer people often get a decent salary. That makes me think at least a few billions is the correct amount... If we want to do research on the level Deepseek does.

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[–] [email protected] 26 points 1 day ago (2 children)

My taxes at work to fund shitty generators. People around me will cheer for this since they are not working in the programming industry and don’t know how it’s yet another way to lower the quality of all that we’ve done so far. We’re fucked.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 day ago

Investors will pump 109 billion euros into artificial intelligence (AI) projects in France in the coming years,

It will be private investment, venture capitalists, that provide the money and extract the data and wealth. All Macron is doing is giving it the official seal of approval from the government. He might relax some rules and make it easier to invest but your tax Euros are safe.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 day ago (9 children)

People around me will cheer for this since they are not working in the programming industry

I don't know how you can say this when programming is one of the best uses for AI

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Eh, copilot is still more miss than hit whenever I use it. It's probably equally dogshit for other uses as well unless your goal is to just generate bullshit and you need to hit a specific word count.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

As a senior dev, I have no use for it in my workflow. The only purpose it would serve for me is to reduce the amount of typing I do. I spend about 5-10% of my time actually writing code. The rest of my dev time is spent in architecting, debugging, testing, or documenting. LLMs aren't really good at most of those things once you move past the most superficial levels of complexity. Besides, I don't actually want something to reduce the amount I'm typing. If I'm typing too much and I'm getting annoyed then it's a sure sign that I've done something bad. If I'm writing boilerplate then it's time to write an abstraction to eliminate that. If I'm writing repetitive tests then it's a sign I need to move to a property based testing framework like Hypothesis. If the LLM spits all of this out for me, I will end up writing code that is harder to understand and maintain.

LLMs are fine for learning and junior positions where you'll have more experienced folks reviewing code, but it just is not that helpful past a certain point.

Also, this is probably a small thing, but I have yet to find an LLM that writes anything other than shitty, terrible shell scripts. Please for the love of God don't use an LLM to write shell scripts. If you must, then please pass the results through shellcheck and fix all of the issues there.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

I've seen it mainly used to assist with python scripts which work well not sure on how well it does shell scripts

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

And on what EU hardware it will run?

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

In the AI FACTORIES!

https://digital-strategy.ec.europa.eu/en/policies/ai-factories

...In terms of actual chips probably nvidia...

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Yep, and that's a biggly problem. If EU AI becomes a threat (or perceived threat) to US economic and other interests (and especially when orange is in charge), they would slap tariffs at those at least. If not forbid export.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago (5 children)

100% agreed, it's funny because Europe has ARM and ASML, Taiwan is cool with the west and can produce chips, you even technically have a GlobalFoundries fabrication plants in Dresden so you can design and produce the chips, design the underlying instruction set but for some reason Europe just can't put the whole thing together into a competitive product

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 day ago

I'd certainly hope for RISC-V. Perhaps now that we have a little bit more of an incentive, we will make some progress.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The EU just doesn't have any companies that can put together something that can compete. CPUs and GPUs have been around for a while and the technical knowledge and patents these companies have gathered is basically insurmountable.

Graphcore is a startup in the UK that has been trying to get into the ai processor market for a few years but even though they got a load of money their chips have not been competitive (if they were able to get any out the door).

Arm could feasibly do it (given they already make the CPU/GPU designs) but their business model is selling the base designs to other companies. If they started to make their own chips then those that buy from ARM (Qualcomm, mediatech...) might look to developing their own risk-V chips

Imo, I think the EU should try and make a company similar in style to what happened with Airbus. Combine a bunch of companies together across the union, give them money and contracts and let them cook. Seems to me the only way to enter this kind of market.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago

An Airbus style company would be awesome, I'm absolutely certain after Trumps latest round of insanity there's a lot of countries that would like some supply chain diversity with EU chips to ensure China or USA can't rattle them too hard

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[–] riodoro1 3 points 1 day ago

This world is hella fucking retarded

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