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[–] return2ozma 102 points 1 week ago (2 children)

They're ending all investigations into workplace discrimination.

[–] [email protected] 49 points 1 week ago (1 children)

BRB, gonna fire all the white men and see what happens

[–] grue 9 points 1 week ago (1 children)

If only there were a significant proportion of minorities in positions to do that.

[–] MutilationWave 15 points 1 week ago

You do not have to be a minority to do this.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 week ago

and the firing of all the future ex-federal employees who were loyal to the job, but not the diaper.

[–] [email protected] 92 points 1 week ago (3 children)

I guess workers are going to have to take things into their own hands again.

[–] surewhynotlem 31 points 1 week ago (1 children)

The moment he takes away protections for race is the moment I stop hiring white people.

In my industry, black people typically have lower salary expectations and have worked harder to get where they are.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 week ago (1 children)

This deals with equal opportunity for federal contractors. It's not directly tied to labor in the private sector.

But also, yes. I feel like maybe it's better in the long run if the federal government isn't looking out for people, and they get accustomed to organizing themselves enough to demand better treatment from their employers without anyone needing to hand it to them.

Maybe.

IDK, maybe I am just trying to rationalize what is guaranteed to happen regardless.

[–] cornshark 6 points 1 week ago

Like they did during the industrial revolution and the coal mining era?

[–] RizzRustbolt 8 points 1 week ago

I'll have to start wearing my Cabin Creek shirt more often.

[–] [email protected] 90 points 1 week ago (2 children)

For anyone who, like me, didn't know:

Executive Order 11246, signed by President Lyndon B. Johnson in 1965, prohibits discrimination in employment by federal contractors based on race, color, religion, sex, or national origin, and requires affirmative action to ensure equal opportunity in hiring. It aims to promote non-discriminatory practices in the workplace for those doing business with the federal government.

[–] Chocrates 39 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Jfc he just does stuff to be an asshole

[–] [email protected] 45 points 1 week ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 week ago

It's an older code but it checks out

[–] friend_of_satan 30 points 1 week ago (1 children)

No. The truth is much worse. He knows what he's doing.

[–] 9bananas 13 points 1 week ago (2 children)

i mean...no, he doesn't.

his handlers know what they're doing!

trump has never been competent enough to be an effective nazi...which is why project 2025 was created in the first place:

man-childs first dictatorship

now even easier with step-by-step instructions!

[–] kofe 4 points 1 week ago

The Nazi movement would not be competent at all without enough cogs in the machine

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 week ago

Yup, Trump is just a warm body that polls well. Anyone can fill his role, there’s an agenda behind the scenes.

[–] brlemworld 2 points 1 week ago

There is still Title 7 of the Civil Rights Act that protects that.

[–] Sanctus 72 points 1 week ago (2 children)

A fair and equitable workplace should have been ratified in the constitution forever ago. Now we just lost our labor rights enforcement.

[–] drahardja 23 points 1 week ago

Joan Westenberg’s framing of this problem as “technical debt” I think is spot-on. Because congress (especially the Senate) has become unable to pass bills, and states are no longer able to amend the constitution, we have amassed a ton of technical debt in our laws, patched only by executive orders that can be easily swept away by the next executive.

https://www.theindex.media/americas-constitutional-crisis-is-really-about-technical-debt/

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 week ago

So many things should have already been put in. Then again so many Americans only care about the 2nd amendment so who knows how much it would help

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 week ago

Musk is a racist white South African who grew up in the ownership class and inherited an emerald mine. Behind the Bastards explains just how bad it gets.

He's going to have to proclivities towards elitism and towards preserving his privilege. And when that is challenged by the rise of class consciousness, it means he's going to fall on the side of fascist autocracy, oligarchy and monarchism.

No salute is necessary to determine where Mr. Musk falls in this paradigm, and he would rather kill, die and end the world than give up his wealth and power. I hope we don't have to oblige him, but peaceful efforts to separate the super-wealthy from their ill-gotten gains have not historically succeeded, where guillotines (and hunting down any potential legal heirs, without remorse) have been more consistently effective.

The trick is getting from that moment to one that distributes that wealth and power diffusely or into actually-for-real public-serving institutions. Historically, we fail to do that part and have to kill a sequence of dictators scrambling to own the One Ring for themselves.

[–] NineMileTower 16 points 1 week ago

You know how Milton burns down the building in Office Space?

[–] Aermis 13 points 1 week ago (2 children)

On the surface hiring based off merit sounds better than hiring for diversity, but is it that merit is harder to achieve in diverse communities because of socio economic class? Racism basically?

[–] GrammarPolice 2 points 1 week ago

Reminds me of that one popular Harvard philosophy lecture where the students were arguing whether it's fair to grant admissions based on race over merit

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

"Merit" is defined by what is measured in most hiring it's just a preference of the hiring body. As with a bunch of places around where I live, young single women, older women, old white guys, young white guys, and everyone else was the preference order...

[–] Aermis 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

What about qualified? Is there an argument to be had about hiring someone that is more qualified rather than on diversity?

I'm not trying to be facetious here. I work as a union electrician and we have a diverse group, but majority of our workforce are men. On one project we needed 2 crew to run trench conduit (an apprentice and journey level to stay in ratio) but because it was a government project the hiring required us to also stay in diversity ratio. So the project manager anticipated the difficulty and hire 3. A woman and 2 men. All 3 were working on the trench, but due to the nature of the work (harder physical labor) the woman ended up holding a sign for the remainder of 6 months she had to be there to "fill" the diversity hire, as the original planned 2 man crew ran the trench to stay on schedule.

In this scenario should there be a bigger budget for diversity hire to compensate the additional labor required due to qualifications not being met? Of course it easily could have been a rock of a woman and 2 men who couldn't lift a shovel too. But if that was the case the unqualified labor would have been rotated out instead of staying to fill a required diversity slot. It could have been 2 people like originally planned and both could have been women who were qualified to do the work. But that means it's qualification over them filling their diversity roles.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 week ago

I agree there too. I think anyone thinking that it's an easy task is lying. Forced top down initiatives suck period. They almost never account for the reality of the work because they aren't looking at it, but instead abstractions and opinions of people looking at the people looking at the people doing the work.

Personally, what makes more sense is an active monitoring indicators of discrimination and have that trigger a real analysis on why that is the case. What presumption of being a man actually makes them a better fit for the role and maybe just include that (i.e. are they able to put enough force in consistently enough to dig this thing)? The other is, is there an investment to be made to make said task easier so more people could do it?

There is a sect of people that miss what the point of "diversity is our strength" which is that people can be better or worse at things or provide new perspectives. If we don't allow people to do different things or listen to their perspectives there we aren't getting more out of it

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 week ago

Elon Musk shouldn’t exist