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I've heard people talking about e.g. not subscribing to lemmy.world communities (because they are the largest instance), and others like Lemmygrad seems to be defederated by quite many instances. But what about lemmy.ml? Should that instance and those communities also be avoided? The "issue" is that many large communities seem to be based on that instance. Like [email protected] and [email protected]

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[–] [email protected] 48 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Ehh I’d suggest feeling it out for yourself to be honest. I’ve had some great interactions on .ml communities, as well as .world communities. But also some hair-pulling insanity. That’s where some of the most active conversations happen, but that also means you’re more likely to encounter some trolls and some awful petulant fools. When you do, just unsubscribe from the community or block the user and you’re all set.

Self-curation is one of my favorite things about Lemmy, and it’s why I like .ee as an instance, because it’s quite neutral and they let individual users choose what communities we want to see and don’t force decisions down our throats. The beauty of this place is that you can always switch instances or block communities and users you dislike, you just have to spend some time curating your experience.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 days ago

You are correct, I think there are quite a few moderate instances out there.

The inner struggle to self curate comes down to summoning the effort between being on passive autopilot and the desire to not fall into an echo chamber by actively listening and participating.

Personally, I'm less scared about getting my feelings hurt and more the need to not be such a lazy fuck;)

[–] [email protected] 19 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

The mods of .ml are pro China/Russia authoritarianists, and will ban you for posting comments that disagree with them. I've received a ban for discussing my experiences teaching Taiwanese and Chinese students, because I described the way the Chinese students reacted in the face of evidence that Taiwan is a self-governing sovereign state as "brainwashed."

I was banned under rule 1, which is listed as being polite and civil. Trust me when I say I have said far more less polite and civil things directly to mods, so it's concerning that politely expressing real lived experiences that contradicts their opinions on Chinese authoritarianism is what counts as being rude and uncivil around those parts.

I haven't blocked them. Many of those communities include the founders/creators of Lemmy, so to block the community feels disjointed from the app, to me. But I think twice about wasting my time on individual conversations in or from people in .ml.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

I avoid it because I don’t like authoritarians and genocide denial. But you do you.

I personally refuse to participate in an instance that will ban me from FOSS communities because I mentioned Tiannmen square on their news community.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I would recommend completely ignoring what Instance people/communities are hosted on

[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I generally do, but every once in a while I'll encounter some very interesting circlejerks and realize that I ended up in the lemmy.ml version of AskLemmy, lol

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 days ago

To be fair, the .ml version is the largest so you'll inevitably see a mix of both thoughtful comments, and horribly stupid comments.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Depends on how you feel about communists

As far as far left instances go, ml is actually pretty unspicy, despite the bee in their bonnet people got.

So like, if you can't stand hanging out with em pinko commies, avoid it. If you're fine with that, don't.

[–] [email protected] 53 points 3 days ago (2 children)

The genuine commies are totally fine. It's the authoritarian apologists that need to fuck right off.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 3 days ago (1 children)

my gauge is simple: do my actual communist friends who know what the USSR was like from firsthand experience agree with them? if yes, that's a good commie. if not, they're probably from .ml

[–] [email protected] 13 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I've no doubt there are some genuine commies on .ml. The problem is that it's the other people who are running the instance and moderating the communities.

[–] GrammarPolice 5 points 3 days ago

cough dessalines cough davel cough UltraGiGaGigantic cough, etc etc.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 days ago

Turns out the mods are in that camp, which kinda clips decent disagreements with an anti Putin rule 1 ban for bigotry lol

[–] [email protected] 20 points 3 days ago (2 children)

if you can't handle political content then just excluding worldnews from your feed should be enough

[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 days ago

Spend a week in memes and you'll see how categorically untrue that is.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 days ago (1 children)

This. Blocking communities you find annoying is the better solution.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I prefer the whitelist option instead. I just read the “subscribed” feed and ignore the “all” feed

[–] Crashumbc 4 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I mean that's how I surf sometimes. But how do you find new content? I've found a lot of great stuff scrolling everything.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 days ago

That is a valid question. Initially, I used the community search to find all the communities I might care about, and subscribed to all of them. Occasionally, I also tried the all feed, but didn’t find anything worth my time, so I stopped doing that. Nowadays, my list of communities is pretty stable.

Occasionally I check what’s going on in [email protected]

[–] [email protected] 10 points 3 days ago

Personally, I don’t think so. Like you point out if the Marxist Leninist instance has content you enjoy then why would you avoid it? - perhaps just don’t get into overtly political discussions / arguments.

You don’t have to be trans to visit or use a trans instance, non-anarchists can be on the anarchist instances, but do remember where you are and, most importantly, that you’re a guest/visitor and try to act accordingly. The same advice goes for .world

I’ve had no problems wherever I’ve gone - so far.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 days ago

Other reasons to avoid, besides those already mentioned here, include that you will not be allowed to say things offhand about countries such as Russia or China or North Korea with your same account even in communities located on other instances. You either comply FULLY, even when elsewhere, or else you are banned from the entire instance. You can read more about such practices in communities like [email protected].

Also a lot of other "not extremists" have blocked that instance altogether, so besides having access to your community able to be yanked out from under you at any time (far more than usual I mean), you also will miss out on interactions with those other people. You will be willfully choosing to remain inside of that echo chamber, which is such to a significantly higher degree than the vast majority of Lemmy overall, and legitimately much higher than even Reddit (no joke, again, read for yourself the stories in that and other communities). Whereas if you choose a community not on Lemmy.ml, then you can still interact with people from that instance, just elsewhere.

Also, you could be told that the mod hopes to kill you someday. Sadly, I'm not joking there either (some selected quotes: "nono I don’t want to shoot for pointing that it’s a game, I want to shoot you because…”, and then later tripling down still further, e.g. stating “I hope you die soon.”).

See e.g. https://lemmy.world/post/22359447.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 3 days ago

Yes.

I won't subscribe, post, or comment in ml.

[–] TheTechnician27 12 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

.ml is unavoidable for some niche tech communities unless you make your own with blackjack and hookers, but for example, Linux has [email protected], [email protected], [email protected], and [email protected]. Privacy has [email protected], [email protected], [email protected], and [email protected].

[–] AbouBenAdhem 12 points 3 days ago

In circumstances where similar communities exist on multiple instances, I would subscribe to all of them at first—but pay attention to differences in moderation and community norms, and unsubscribe from communities you’re less comfortable with. I wouldn’t judge a community on the basis of its instance without trying it first, unless the instance admins have unusual rules they’re imposing on all their communities.

[–] NineMileTower 12 points 3 days ago (1 children)
[–] Aarrodri 7 points 3 days ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 12 points 3 days ago

They ban any "disrespect" of CCP. I still dont block since I don't really believe in that but I prefer to comment on less censored communities to seed them as viable alternatives

[–] spankmonkey 10 points 3 days ago

.ml is fine for anything other than politics, as they will ban over the slightest hint of criticism of China and other communist authoritarian countries. Especially calling anyone a tankie.

But the trchnical and other non-political communities are pretty similar to any other instances communities.

[–] lurklurk 5 points 3 days ago

Yes, blocking them is a good start.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 days ago

I find that mods on .ml are less likely to ban you for common sentiments in America. .world is just Reddit 2

[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 days ago

Their modding practices kinda kill flow of ideas as the people who dislike CCP also like privacy lol

[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 days ago

Should you?

Depends on your tolerance for Stalinists and Maoists. I don't think you have to but I have. Thanks to Dessalines and co for making Lemmy but if you're going to enact or enable shithead mod rules you're going to drive people away.

On the plus side, there really aren't any cryptofascist accounts that survive for long on .ml, and you certainly can't the say the same for .world and .ee, so there's at least some benefit to it.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 days ago (2 children)

I would be more careful on Lemmy.world. Feels like a lot of Lemmy.world doesn't like instances where they question things like capatilism and such. I have blocked more communities and users on lemmy.world them .ml.

But that's my own personal experiences.

[–] Crashumbc 7 points 3 days ago

I've been banned more on .ml for even suggesting Russia or China weren't perfect.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

I think I've blocked more .world users/ communities too. But, I think it's just because of the sheer quantity of them. At least I tell myself it's just because there are so many of them.

The feud posting is dumb though.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 days ago

Generally, if you lean left and partake in anything leftist, you're going to run into the far left, the authoritarian left.

.ml is good to remind you of that kind of interaction. It isn't always a bad thing, but people that engage in identity politics are very often monomaniacal. Not always! But often enough that it can get tiring. .ml runs high to individuals that practice identity politics, with the politics being authoritarian left. This means that our can be boring as fuck because people that think like that tend to never be able to stfu about it, they'll wedge it into anything.

But the whole instance isn't like that. If you avoid the political communities, and avoid politics in general, you don't scrape up against the ideologues as often. Now, lemmygrad? That place is batshit across the board lol. .ml is definitely hard left leaning, but you can talk about other things, and the users aren't all going to bring their ideology with them into every conversation. Some do, but not all of them.

My advice is to hang back and observe .ml communities before interacting on them. The more on topic a community stays, the less likely you are to run across the crazies

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 days ago

Having checked the mod logs I avoid anything from there. They regularly show up a deleting insightful comments - I thus wish to 'punish' the instance by ignoring is. I hope that makes it less valuable to everyone who uses it.

alone I'm almost nothing of course but others are like me and together .ml is the worse.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 days ago (1 children)

A variation of this post pops up with ridiculous frequency on Lemmy.world. Just go find out for yourself what people are like on those other instances, instead of asking for 3rd party opinions here.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 days ago

fr these posts are just chum for wannabe curators who think they're responsible for safeguarding the fediverse from some axis of evil

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 days ago

Idk ive personally been censored more on world than ml but ive also faced my fair share of censorship on ml as well

[–] Lost_My_Mind 1 points 3 days ago
[–] GrammarPolice -1 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

If you don't want to see communist content or participate in discussions about communism, I'd suggest blocking it. It can get quite annoying.

[–] apfelwoiSchoppen -4 points 3 days ago

If you are asking, you probably know the answer for yourself.