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[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 hours ago

Yogthos is a clown

[–] [email protected] 9 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

Yogthos drank the vatnik koolaid.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 hours ago

When in ml, do as the red fascists do.

[–] MothmanDelorian 29 points 6 hours ago (2 children)

I dont get how tankies can support a "communist" nation like China that has an investor class and whose system requires the mistreatment of the proletariat.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 4 hours ago

Don't worry, someone will be along shortly to recommend 2000 pages of communist literature that wouldn't even prove their point even if you read it all.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

Because they don't support communism. They just like one version of ogliarchy better than the other.

[–] Madison420 6 points 4 hours ago

They're authoritarians not communists ie. the ole schtick.

[–] [email protected] 47 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

Yogthos is the kind of piece of shit that "critically supports" bombing Ukrainian kindergartens and maternity wards as long as, somewhere in the world, at least one Western tear is shed over it. Blocking them makes the fediverse far less unpleasant.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 7 hours ago

One of the best decisions I've made

[–] [email protected] 41 points 8 hours ago

Average Yogthos verbal vomit.

[–] [email protected] 42 points 8 hours ago

Huh. And here I thought Yogthos was a Chinese plant. Turns out they like the taste of Russian leather just the same.

[–] [email protected] 67 points 9 hours ago (2 children)

Wut? Was he talking about the previous Ukrainian government, sponsored by Russia™? I can't make sense of what he is saying, actually.

[–] SupraMario 11 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

Dude doesn't know about Euromaidan. I wish some of these children would go to russia.

[–] Pilferjinx 5 points 3 hours ago

They like the idea of Russia, not actual Russia.

[–] cm0002 43 points 9 hours ago (2 children)

I had to reread it a few times myself, but I'm pretty sure that's what he's talkin about

Because everyone knows Russia is well known for their totally legit free and fair elections/s

[–] [email protected] 21 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago) (1 children)

i got a veteran friend who would not take kindly to people saying her country should be permanently tied to a country whose name she refuses to spell correctly. the .ml tankists have, apparently, no concept of a false flag operation

[–] Valmond 8 points 6 hours ago

Or they argue in bad faith.

I hope so because I don't want to believe people can be so stupid they can probably not breathe and walk simultaneously.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago) (1 children)

I saw this and it was the trigger I needed to finally block that community. I'm still trying to figure out how to block .ml entirely.

[–] cm0002 10 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago) (1 children)

I'm still trying to figure out how to block .ml entirely.

I think this only becomes available to you if your instance is on a certain version.

But we shouldn't just do instance blocks, that's just ignoring the problem. We should all be on the lookout for this kinda BS so we can screenshot, compile and eventually petition our respective instance admins to defederate.

As well as cross-posting any good material you come across from a .ml comm to any other non-.ml comm

[–] [email protected] 13 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

Nah, you call out tankie bullshit on .ml, they ban you on every /c

[–] cm0002 15 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

Lol you can catch a .ml site-ban for calling out their BS in other instances too, they dgaf

[–] [email protected] 15 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

I got banned for calling xi winnie, zero regrets

[–] cm0002 17 points 8 hours ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 7 points 8 hours ago

Awww yiss, now i got profile bling

[–] [email protected] 14 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

Lmaooo these dingos think Kim jong un will holler at them if they suck his e-weiner enough

[–] Madison420 3 points 4 hours ago

Pooh doesn't have a penis, he's been pantsless for like a hundred years I think someone would see it by now.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 9 hours ago (2 children)

For those who like me can't read the original meme text:

"Leftists" whose political opinions on China, DPR Korea, Cuba, Israel, and Ukraine mirror the U.S. State Department's position

And then the face the person is seeing in the mirror is a clown.

I wouldn't have even tried to engage on the China / N Korea / Ukraine side of the analogy. The other one is a lot more absurd. I don't think there is any non-trivial number of "leftists" on Lemmy who think that Israel "has a right to defend herself" and deserves tons of weapons, or that Cuba is a terrorist state.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

Israel “has a right to defend herself”

It does but what it does far exceeds legitimate defence. And what it does also isn't building Zionism because antagonising people goes directly against the goal of creating a place for Jews to live in peace and prosperity.

I gave up on it when the fucker killed Rabin and it's been a constant slide into full-on fascism since then, as in, fascist modes of thinking captured more and more of Israeli politics to the point where even the left is largely cooked. They may disavow what Amir did but they still share his outlook towards "security". They may not be actively genocidal but still support "antagonise until Palestinians give up". The situation is fucked in pretty much every way that a situation can possibly be fucked.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 6 hours ago

Fully agreed. If it wasn't clear from my quotation marks, I think Israel is now actively exterminating a civilian population, after pursuing a policy of slow extermination spanning back for decades, with the goal of eventually eradicating the state and people of Palestine completely. And that policy of slow extermination led to the atrocities of October 7th as an absolutely predictable consequence. I put quotes around "defend herself" because that's how the State Department talks about it, but nothing Israel is doing right now makes any sense in that context or any other aside from exterminating Palestinians as fast as they can get away with. Netanyahu refusing to say if he agrees to the current latest cease-fire in exchange for getting all the hostages back before they're all dead, is just yet another prime example from today.

He doesn't want the hostages back. He wants to kill Palestinians, and if them having hostages makes that easier, then he's in favor of them keeping the hostages. I don't know why anyone who writes about geopolitics buys into the ludicrous framework of it being any other way, let alone this fantasy of "defend herself." I get why the State Department says that. They're lying on purpose to accomplish their goals. What the newspapers are doing when they say it, I couldn't tell you.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

Could you elaborate on Cuban or Cuban-sponsored terrorism? I mostly agree with the US positions on these except for Cuba and maybe Israel. I also don't know Cuba that well. I know that some Cuban protests are suppressed, but I'm pretty sure that's not what terrorism means.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

The US has been saying since the 80s that Cuba is a sponsor of state terrorism. I think it's mostly made up because they're communist and we don't like them. I think maybe Castro did a little bit of what when we do it is called "covert ops," but I'm not aware of Cuba being any kind of major sponsor of terrorism, in the same way that Saudi Arabia or Israel is, for example.

The State Department has some very minor legitimate beef with modern-day Cuba because they suppressed some protests, yes, and put a few hundred people in prison more or less for being the opposition. Every so often they do minor dictator stuff like that which we officially tut-tut at them for. On the whole, though, our beef with Cuba is just because nobody's forgotten the days when Che Guevara was public enemy number one, and Cuba got away with being on his side, and for no other reason that's more logical than that one.

[–] PugJesus 5 points 6 hours ago

The US has been saying since the 80s that Cuba is a sponsor of state terrorism.

Angola stuff, I think. Not that our hands were clean in that conflict.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 8 hours ago

Kremlin talking points that was thoroughly debunked in 2022 but here we are...

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