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Can someone explain why this is so bad?
I feel like this would be a pretty positive change for workers to be able to kick out assholes who are rude and don’t even order anything. If we aren’t going to let them unionize or pay them more at least let their work be less annoying.
Like, idk I don’t expect Starbucks to “solve” the homeless problem they usually trespass homeless people anyways. So… is this really that bad?
I'm sure the workers will be excited to learn they get to deal with becoming bouncers too. The general population is so fun to deal with these days as it is.
It’s not like that’s new? They already gotta trespass people. Just an open door policy leads to people being even shittier because that’s corporate policy so you can’t kick me out and blah blah blah.
Just like… there’s a lot of other bullshit to be mad at Starbucks over this really doesn’t matter compared to their union busting or other bullshit.
If someone is going to get belligerent about being asked to leave, I promise you that their beligerence is complete unphased by corporate policy.
Exactly. Basically a paragraph long way to say ‘I have no retail experience’ without those exact words.
Uhg I wrote a post and got sidetracked before hitting post RIP.
Anyways point was more about being able to ask people to leave at all (from what I remember the change was very you can’t kick people out cuz the Philly store did a no no. Maybe that changed after the initial backlash or maybe I’m misremembering it as a specific person my friend who was a manager at the time wasn’t allowed to kick out for some specific reason, idk man it’s been ages since my friends worked there and since that change.) but also mostly just… idk I am not particularly saying it’s super good and perfect change just that it doesn’t seem like a big deal either way. People are acting like this is some big evil change and I don’t get it. Like it’s Starbucks, they’re a for profit company not a public park I don’t see why this matters much one way or the other. They weren’t offering some beautiful after school enrichment or anything super crazy they’re just going back to their old policy.
They can kick them out anyway. They don't need this policy.
I kind of thought this was the policy in the first place...
This has been a very long-standing policy of theirs going back to when they were a little company in Seattle.
But capitalism takes away any possible benevolence.
According to the article, the open door policy was established in 2018.
Perhaps that's when it was officially codified, but it certainly has been at least an unofficial policy since way before then. I used to know people back in the day that would literally spend all day at Starbucks, sitting on their laptop using the wifi.
No, some years ago there was a black guy waiting for someone in a Starbucks and they kicked him out. Corporate was pissed because it was clearly a racist employee. In response, they literally closed every Starbucks in the entire country for one day and had all of their employees attend mandatory racism trainings.
And they established a rule that none of their stores were allowed to deny access to bathrooms to the public. I was living in a car at that time, and it was awesome. Sad to see they're going back on it :(
Basically unenforceable, they already tell you to leave if they got a lot of customers but otherwise I promise you no one really gives a shit when all you're doing is sitting and doing work without coffee
Sounds like it's entirely enforceable, but often not enforced.
Stay the fuck out of those garbage places.
I don't drink coffee, so this doesn't affect me any.
I'm okay with this policy. commercial places should be for people who want to conduct commerce. from what I can tell this doesn't affect anyone who needs to run to the bathrooms, this is for the people who take their macbook airs and just sit down occupying space working on their manuscripts taking advantage of the free wifi and not buying anything, or for an extreme example that old pictures of a guy who set up his entire desktop at a mcdonald's monitor and all just for the free wifi.
if there are people who are really upset about that, the wifi signal extends outside the walls. no one says you can't sit in the car and use the starbucks wifi.
Denny's and IHOP are going to make a huge resurgence.
What will New York City do now?
Fuck. I used to go to Starbucks specifically because they made a rule that stores had to provide free toilets to everyone.