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I started this discussion on mastodon, but want to here too. If you could create the perfect bus stop, what would it have? Here are some of my ideas:

β›‘ Safety:

  • Shelters: no advertisements blocking views. Enclosed shelters must have 2+ exit points.
  • Solar lights

β™Ώ Accessibility:

  • A space in shelters for wheelchairs.
  • Marked wide paved section for wheelchairs & those with mobility difficulties to board a ramp onto the bus.
  • Braille on bus stop signs & tactile pavement.

🚲Other:

  • Bike racks
  • Vending Machines
  • Public water fountain
  • Tiny library

Do you have more ideas?

Edit: realized the photo i added is ai, but i can't seem to get rid of it so πŸ€·β€β™€οΈ

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[–] coriza 40 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

A stop button for the bus stop.

Where I live the bus does not stop if no one flags it from the bus stop. The problem is that sometimes it is hard to see which bus is coming and you have to always be on alert. A button that maybe turn on a light that show the incoming bus that passagens wants to get in. For bus stop with multiple bus lines it should show which line needs to stop.

Similarly a info panel with the buses that stops in that stop, when the next one is due and maybe even a map of the buses route. I know that with smartphones this is not such kife change but still useful I think.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 weeks ago

That's a cool idea, it could eventually help them adjust service if a lot of people are requesting buses a certain day.

Or simply act as an anonymized data source for future changes. The time when someone requests a bus is different from when someone actually gets on a bus

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[–] [email protected] 38 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

The ideal bus stop is one where buses stop so frequently you don't actually need the stop to be a microcosm of city life because you're at most five minutes away from the next bus.

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[–] [email protected] 36 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Busses that arrive every 15 minutes so that comfy bus stops aren't really required.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

And if not, at least that arrive on time so you can plan ahead and not come to the stop too early.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

apps are not a substitute for being on time every time. The only substitue is a bus ever 5 minutes or less so you don't bother checking the clock.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (2 children)

A bus every 5 minutes makes sense in cities, less so in more rural areas where the bus would be empty most of the times. I would consider a bus every 20 minutes to be enough as a minimum service.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 weeks ago

sort of. Rural areas can't support a frequent bus but suburban areas can support a bus more frequent than they get. Lack of service is why those butes are empty: people who tan afford a car and wouldn't face much traffic drive instead of slaving their life to the but schedule.

note that it takes several years of frequent service for people to figure out the bus doesn't suck and it takes a great network as well as frequency. An such no transit systen has the money needed to prove me right. Still I maintain transit doesn't need nearly as high density as most people think. What density gives you is enough people who can't drive to support a systen those who can would choose to use.

[–] Iceblade02 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Unfortunately that frequent traffic is only feasible in rather dense urban, or possibly suburban areas.

Our local operator runs huge deficits outside the major hubs, and even that is just for a bus every 30 minutes, most of which are completely devoid of passengers.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 weeks ago (6 children)

Ever used a bus every 30 minutes? They force you to slave your life to the schedule. there are no quick trips as you are waiting 28 minutes for your next trip after buying your coffee. You can get to work but that is about it. no wonder most people don't ride.

give people in that area better service and they will ride. (but probably not in numbers to pay for thth but - only the largest bendein the midele buses can pay for them selves on a reasonable fare.

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[–] [email protected] 27 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Here's a very simple thing that many bus stops do not have. A sign at the correct height to actually see the name of the stop from inside the bus.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 weeks ago

Yes! I would have never thought of that, but you are absolutely right.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)
  • Some kind of "panic button" to press if you're being stalked or something
  • the stop number and name, e.g. "Stop 53: Main and Elm". make sure those are on the major map apps so you can call your friends and tell them where you are.
[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Some kind of "panic button" to press if you're being stalked or something

Maybe something like this?

https://security.ubc.ca/home/safety-prevention-resources/emergency-blue-phones/

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 weeks ago

Good point! I have seen them outside of university buildings here, but that's it

[–] [email protected] 20 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Some way to know how far away the next buses are.

If we're going all out, then a real time map of nearby buses

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

@[email protected] My city actually has displays on some bus stops that show in real time the time until their arrival. It's also speaks them. (Kinda similar to trains), but it's only on some bus stations.

@[email protected]

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 weeks ago

It is when they work. More than once I've seen the time displayed jump. Next bus in 7 minutes for the next 15 minutes, then 1 minute as the bus itself pulls to a stop.

[–] wiccan2 15 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Heating or cooling depending on geographic location and time of year.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 weeks ago

Yes!! I've stood at bus stop when it's -30c (-22 f ?) and I don't wish it on anyone.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Buses that actually show up at the stop.

A bench would be nice too, but thats probably asking way too much.

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[–] python 13 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

In NL, they've got bike racks with roofs next to the bus stops, I wish we had that here as well!

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 weeks ago

That would be great! No wet bikes!

[–] satans_methpipe 10 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

That would be covered in illegible graffiti, fast food trash, and feces soooo quickly where I live.

[–] Valmond 4 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

So you need a person there keeping it tidy instead of a vending machine.

[–] satans_methpipe 4 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

That would have to be a contracted third party with truck mounted power washers. Similar to porta-shitter maintenance.

I think a lot of it stems from lack of individual community investment. Inability to own property due to awful wages leads to a lack of pride or ownership in a community. Areas that get torn apart and trashed are deprioritized by city services, leading to further trashing which destabilizes the local tax base by driving out business or discouraging new business.

I can't sleep right now and I think I'm just ruminating on urban decay.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Furniture differs between public and private or at least supervised areas. It should be really stable and easily cleanable.

Someone will come along and think to itself: that glass shatters so beautifully, I like that. Or: it is surrounded by walls and a ceiling, it must be a toilet.

[–] PunnyName 9 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

Those latter issues are generally solved with systemic changes that aren't intrinsic to public transit.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Teenagers exist everywhere though, so this sort of urban furniture is unrealistic.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 weeks ago (5 children)

Teenagers exist here and yet somehow nobody shatters bus stop glass walls, uses bus stops as toilets, etc.

Maybe the fix is at a cultural level.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

This post is very clearly entirely AI generated, not just the image. No normal person puts emojis in a list format like this

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 weeks ago
  • Outlet/charging station
  • A way to pay the fare, charge your card or figure out whatever the payment system is.

That is often the big hurdle in taking a bus in a new city - finding out how and how much to pay and where to buy the right pass.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 weeks ago
  • Smoke sensors and alarms, ~~bomb squad~~ metropolice on call (sorry people!)
  • Longer shelters, made of glass, but photosensitive (more sun = less transparent), 4000K LED lights at night (but not blinding!)
  • Grass rooftop
  • No ads
  • Interactive, dynamic timetable
  • No bay (waste of time, less comfort, because of damaged surface)
[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 weeks ago

Thats just way too much imo, just make them comfortable and maybe add a vending machine

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 weeks ago

the pic needs a line on the glass at about 1m, so less people and animals crash into it.

[–] kreskin 4 points 2 weeks ago

That would work in an affluent suburb for a while, but not in any dense urban area with homeless.

It really needs to have: A bathroom. A water fountain. A roof. No glass walls, they will just get kicked out. Some buttons to call security. Some sort of automated connection to public services like hospitals, shelters and food distro sites, and a map of how to get there. Seating, but not the type thats easy to sleep on. Its not a homeless shelter.

And it needs to be regularly cleaned and maintained.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Frequent buses. I've never stood in one despite spending a lot of time waiting for my bus. shelters are cheap and bus drivers are expensive so I understand putting in a shelter when there is some money but not enough for another but but adding another bus is always the better option if there is any choice.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

That's true, it might be a location dependent thing! Here, where it can reach -40c, they are very important(you can get frostbite in under 10min), but elsewhere they might not be important hardly at all.

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[–] Valmond 1 points 2 weeks ago

What about a hausmann style instead of this dystopian glass & concrete-steel style?

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