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[–] [email protected] 49 points 5 days ago (1 children)

👶: Mr. Owl, how many shots does it take to reach the center of our ongoing polycrisis?

🦉: [REDACTED]

[–] [email protected] 6 points 5 days ago

A-one. crack

A-two. crack

A-three. bang

[–] shplane 22 points 5 days ago (4 children)

I sometimes wonder if there’s anyone actually planning this right now. I expected a lot more copycats after the adjuster’s revenge

[–] [email protected] 10 points 5 days ago

I've seen this sentiment floating around so you're definitely not alone in this.

On one hand, it is disappointing to see the momentum dying out.

On the other hand, if there are indeed radical people or groups inspired to copy, I'd hope they take the time to do it properly and set a good example. We saw in the 1890s-1900s what can happen if copycat assassinations are done too carelessly.[1] While I don't believe individualist violence is an effective solution to this problem, there can be some good effects so long as targets are well-chosen and methods are successful.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 4 days ago

you just need to look: Greenpeace is not exactly the cuddly type. if you want a more violent approach, may i introduce you to Sea Shepherd.

They are pretty much founded by people wanting to give seal hunters a taste of their own medicine. Until now they have executed some quite big and well organised operations.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 days ago

Unfortunately the most militant side rn is the “conservative” right-wingers; definitely under the thumbs of the establishment. There’s that raid of the “biggest stash of homemade explosives” in FBI in history in Virginia the other day.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 days ago

The most millitant are the ones most impacted, those living in the Global South under the thumb of US Imperialism.

[–] Rhynoplaz 22 points 5 days ago

Give a hoot, mother fucker!

[–] neonred 3 points 3 days ago

Hooray, violence!!

[–] finitebanjo 7 points 4 days ago (2 children)

You can't kill exploiters as fast as they reproduce, humans exploit by their very nature.

The only possible solution is a legislative one. Vote blue, overturn Citizens United. Empower the EPA. That's the integral first step.

[–] dil 6 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Disagree. Voting is necessary, of course, but it is NOT the first step. America just voted in Wish Hitler for his second term because he has a huge propaganda machine propping him up. Legislatively, he got the most votes and things are working as intended.

We need to change people's minds, and that requires organization, direct action, and our own propaganda.

And of course we shouldn't kill people, but if DEATH was a consequence for exploiting people, then exploitation would at least be minimized instead of happening proudly in broad daylight.

[–] finitebanjo 4 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

In 2020 an extra 10 Million people voted to remove Trump and put Biden in.

Biden reversed inflation, implemented holding time limitations for the ICE, got the EPA and stream protections back in working order, set the FTC on investigating big corporations over privacy and cost of living, and tried to cancel over a trillion in debt for students and healthcare but sadly only managed to cancel hundreds of billions and remove healthcare debts from credit history.

Demonstrably, we just need to energize people to vote blue.

Now imagine if we could have gotten 60 senators from that team. The team that wants to remove Citizens United the ones who tried to pass HR1 For The People Act multiple timrs when they only had 50 votes.

We can very easily fix all of this shit, just vote and do voter outreach.

[–] dil 1 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Why do you think Trump won?

I agree that Biden made good progress, and that Dems are pushing for the right things, but even with that progress and platform voters still handed the country back to Trump.

Maybe put another way, what are the ways to energize people to vote blue? Actually governing well clearly isn't it.

[–] finitebanjo 2 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

I think Trump won because the vast majority of Americans aren't just uneducated about issues but also in general are misinformed. Everyone thinks Trump was good for the economy and Biden was bad. Everyone thinks Genocide Joe gives Netanyahu everything he wants and that Trump will end the war.

We need to fight back by teaching and informing voters. We need to spread the word, each of us needs to, to get people excited to vote for not just the shinier turd but the candidates who are actually good for us and for democracy as a whole. Door to door. Pamphlets. Billboards. Town halls. Even, or perhaps especially, memes and short form video content.

[–] dil 0 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Definitely agree about voters being misinformed. It really worries me that there isn't a consensus reality with agreement on even what the problems are, let alone solutions.

I recently read this and found it helpful: https://www.hamiltonnolan.com/p/how-to-think-about-politics-without

Basically, it says that politicians won't do the right thing because it's the right thing, they'll do whatever is politically advantageous. In that framing, our role is to make it advantageous for them to do the right thing.

A video I've seen in this realm is this one: https://youtu.be/yXOgbbHyii8

He's aiming for much loftier goals than individual policies like universal healthcare, but I especially like his points on effective ways to allocate your energy.

Personally, I fall somewhere between him and the Contrapoints video he's responding to - I think we should absolutely vote for politicians and policies that move us in the right direction, but I think it's much more important overall to build collective power outside of the state (unions / community organizations). Ideally, I'd like to spend 90% of my effort on organizing and 10% on voting and voter engagement.

I don't think that allocation is objectively correct, or that there even exists a "right" way to engage. Different folks have different values, strengths, and interests, and I think the most important thing is that we're all pulling in the same direction of "get everyone's basic needs met."

[–] finitebanjo 0 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Link to Anark

Lmao no

I don’t think that allocation is objectively correct, or that there even exists a “right” way to engage. Different folks have different values, strengths, and interests, and I think the most important thing is that we’re all pulling in the same direction of “get everyone’s basic needs met.”

There's a pretty clear right way to engage. Show empathy, tell the truth, supply evidence.

[–] dil 1 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Wait what's the problem with anark?

[–] finitebanjo 1 points 3 days ago

It's fine to have unique political ideologies and aspirations, but anybody who preaches dissolution of the state is not a person on your side for supporting an established political party or passing reforms.

Their idea of "fixing the problem" is not a realistic or reasonable way to fix the problem. They can't help us, they can't help anybody.

[–] surph_ninja 0 points 4 days ago (1 children)

This commenter is a bad actor. Don’t trust people who insist you must ‘work through the system.’

[–] UnderpantsWeevil 0 points 4 days ago (1 children)

"The only solution is legislative" in a legislature that's captured by capital and a reactionary fascist movement.

We are once again politely petitioning Mr. Netanyahu to stop obliterating Palestinians and Mr. Putin to GTFO of Ukraine.

[–] finitebanjo 1 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

Palestine is still getting obliterated, arguably will be oblitterated more than ever before with war spreading to Jordan and possibly Iran, and with Ukraine we were doing more than just asking. We sent intercontinental balistics strongly worded letters.

Citizens United and Campaign Finance are strongly partisan issues. DNC passed HR1 For the People Act multiple times only for Republicans to filibuster it. Hell, DNC passed the 1995 and 2002 law that Citizens United fought in court in the first place.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil 0 points 3 days ago (1 children)

DNC passed HR1 For the People Act multiple times only for Republicans to filibuster it.

Democrats keep insisting they need 60 votes in the Senate to do anything, while Republicans continue to get by just fine on a simple majority.

[–] finitebanjo 1 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

If Republicans had 60 votes you'd be living in an evangelical theocracy without any public healthcare or environmental protections. This isn't the bottom, mate. There is still a long way down.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil 2 points 3 days ago

you’d be living in an evangelical theocracy without any public healthcare or environmental protections

Yes. Simply imagine what that would be like, I say from the bleeding heart of Texas.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 4 days ago

do try eating bugs tho, crickets especially, they kinda taste like peanuts