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Russia says Ukraine targeted Moscow with drones on Sunday, the latest in a series of attacks that have brought the Ukraine war to Russia’s capital.

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[–] Raildrake 87 points 1 year ago (4 children)

People can turn away from supporting a war pretty quickly when it suddently reaches your doorstep.

[–] [email protected] 32 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Or they can become more in favor of it.

[–] frazw 27 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yeah suddenly the "nazi" regime is "attacking". When you see yourselves as the heroic liberators, being attacked on your home turf comes across as evil aggression, instead of what it really is. 0.0001% of the pain you've inflicted being returned to you.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago

That was my take, given Putin history of the checyen false flag I was almost thinking false flag to get home support, it is only the fact Kyiv, while not actively admitting, still hint at responsible that changed mind. It does seem a odd tactic going for such a dense civilian heavily defended area for little advantage in stopping war machine.

[–] Lenins2ndCat 21 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

That is not what has ever happened at any point in time historically, I actually can't think of a single example. When war is on the doorstep support for your own side typically hardens massively.

The times where populations have turned against wars have always been when the troops are fighting far away from home in lands that the home population feels they shouldn't be dying in.

This will only make people cling to support for the military because they rely on it for personal safety.

[–] btaf45 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That is not what has ever happened at any point in time historically, I actually can’t think of a single example.

Russia in 1917

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[–] MostlyBirds 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (5 children)

That is not what has ever happened at any point in time historically, I actually can’t think of a single example.

There are countless historical examples of cities and nations surrendering without a fight when faced with attack. Just look at the Mongol conquests for an obvious starting point.

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[–] wanderingmagus 5 points 1 year ago (14 children)

Then they can watch their entire country burn. FAFO. Slava Ukraini.

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[–] gummybootpiloot 18 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It usually has the opposite effect and hardens resolve

[–] madcaesar 20 points 1 year ago (7 children)

Press X to doubt.

Everyone is a badass until bullets start whizzing by your ass.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

Idk man, humans are wild. WW2 germany fought for a loooong time after the war had really been lost.

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[–] [email protected] 61 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The damage is pretty mild compared to the ruins that Russia created with their missiles on major ukrainian cities. If moscovits are shaking bacause 10 windows of a single story got damaged, they are invited to ukraine and see what they are doing to the civil population there.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago

When mosquito is a nuisance, but 1000 mosquitoes is a real threat.

[–] Buddahriffic 49 points 1 year ago

Good shit Ukraine, hope you figure out ways to counter their counters.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

surprised pikachu

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[–] Johnvanjim 21 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Any facts or verification that this was actually done by Ukraine? Seems like it’d be pretty on point for Russian propaganda to throw a few drones at themselves to whip up fervor. Not to mention the fact that it could’ve been done by partisans in Russia itself. I’d label either of those more likely than Ukrainian attacks on civilian infrastructure.

[–] MostlyBirds 15 points 1 year ago (3 children)

The fact that Ukraine claims responsibility is a pretty strong indicator. Who else do you think would have done it?

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

The West insisted that their weapons are not to be used inside Russia. I don't think Ukraine would want to risk the supply of weapons for small political gains.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago

The Beaver is Ukrainian produced.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

When I first heard the news I actually automatically assumed that's what had happened.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I hope it didn't kill any civilians.

[–] mayo 11 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Fair, but also almost strangely off kilter comment? Idk. I hope when Russia bombs Ukranian cities no one gets hurt but that clearly doesn't happen. Hate to 'whatabout' you but one solid strike against Moscow is hardly triggering my sympathy for them.

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Can someone explain how they can fly drones that far?

Or is it someone stationed locally who's soing the control?

[–] Hazdaz 15 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Probably both, but yiu can fly a drone a lot further when it is a one way mission and yiu don't need to save energy to fly it back.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago

yeah, I'd guess like 2 times further lol

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

These are partially remote human guided missiles

[–] Nijuu 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Wasn't there a point where if Ukraine took the fight and crossed the Russian border, that Nato and Ukraines supporters would withdraw their support?

[–] nbafantest 5 points 1 year ago

Yes. The very first one of these suicide drone attacks Ukraine still denies it was them lol

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