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Russia says Ukraine targeted Moscow with drones on Sunday, the latest in a series of attacks that have brought the Ukraine war to Russia’s capital.

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[–] Raildrake 87 points 1 year ago (4 children)

People can turn away from supporting a war pretty quickly when it suddently reaches your doorstep.

[–] [email protected] 32 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Or they can become more in favor of it.

[–] frazw 27 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yeah suddenly the "nazi" regime is "attacking". When you see yourselves as the heroic liberators, being attacked on your home turf comes across as evil aggression, instead of what it really is. 0.0001% of the pain you've inflicted being returned to you.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago

That was my take, given Putin history of the checyen false flag I was almost thinking false flag to get home support, it is only the fact Kyiv, while not actively admitting, still hint at responsible that changed mind. It does seem a odd tactic going for such a dense civilian heavily defended area for little advantage in stopping war machine.

[–] Lenins2ndCat 21 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

That is not what has ever happened at any point in time historically, I actually can't think of a single example. When war is on the doorstep support for your own side typically hardens massively.

The times where populations have turned against wars have always been when the troops are fighting far away from home in lands that the home population feels they shouldn't be dying in.

This will only make people cling to support for the military because they rely on it for personal safety.

[–] btaf45 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That is not what has ever happened at any point in time historically, I actually can’t think of a single example.

Russia in 1917

[–] Lenins2ndCat -3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Mahkno? I'm fairly sure they walked under a very pirate-ey black flag back then.

Worth noting that the actual origin of the bisected red/black flag is the First International in 1864, which was both anarchist+communist before the split occurred between Marx and Bakunin. Anarchists would be banned from the future ones as a result of the split and disagreements that occurred. They flew the red flag alone from that point onwards.

[–] MostlyBirds 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

That is not what has ever happened at any point in time historically, I actually can’t think of a single example.

There are countless historical examples of cities and nations surrendering without a fight when faced with attack. Just look at the Mongol conquests for an obvious starting point.

[–] wanderingmagus 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Then they can watch their entire country burn. FAFO. Slava Ukraini.

[–] Lenins2ndCat -5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Mate you're advocating for a genocide against civilians. That's not acceptable, and all you're doing by writing this stuff online is creating content that Russians read and think to themselves "wow, the west really are fascists that want to murder us all". It doesn't help, it ends up getting used to reinforce the propaganda.

[–] wanderingmagus 10 points 1 year ago (2 children)

They're the ones doing the genociding and supporting the genociding. They're the ones supporting the butchers of Bucha and the siege of Mariupol. They're the ones taking selfies in the ruins of Ukrainian homes for aesthetics.

What would you have done when the Nazis invaded Poland? Would you have wrung hands at the bombing of Dresden and Tokyo?

I made my choice. I joined the strategic nuclear fleet as an SSBN sailor. Sometimes the only language a nation will understand is force.

[–] FordBeeblebrox 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I’m claustrophobic so picked jumping out of planes instead but same idea. It’s fuckin wild to me that we spent 40 years arming up to fight Ivan and now half the country wants to hand them the keys to the football just to own the libs. They fucked around and are finding out that our old dusty shit off the shelf is eating them alive in properly motivated hands. Oh well

Slava Ukraini

[–] wanderingmagus 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Hooyah Airborne! You're braver than me, jumping out of a perfectly functional airplane. I'd rather get turned to plasma faster than I can register than plummet as my chute fails to deploy, but different strokes for different folks. Salute to your bravery. Good luck out in the field.

Heroyam Slava!

[–] Mayoman68 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Mate I don't think most russian people are reading an obscure, western primarily english speaking social media site, and the ones that are are probably more likely to be against the war.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

👋

It takes just one journalist to see it for it to be shown on national TV. But you're right, they are unlikely to see it on this relatively obscure social media site when there are thousands of literal nazis with ukrainian flags and checkmarks over at ~~twitter~~ X.com, they can just take one of their ~~tweets~~ X's instead.

[–] Lenins2ndCat 0 points 1 year ago

Oh of course there's not many reading here. But the point is that this behaviour should be opposed because its normalisation here means that the users go elsewhere and normalise it there too. This is prevalent all over the place because nobody bothers to call it out and point out how unhelpful it is.

Even Navalny's team, who I despise as the man's a fascist, has said the same thing I'm currently saying.

[–] gummybootpiloot 18 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It usually has the opposite effect and hardens resolve

[–] madcaesar 20 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Press X to doubt.

Everyone is a badass until bullets start whizzing by your ass.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

Idk man, humans are wild. WW2 germany fought for a loooong time after the war had really been lost.