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[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 hour ago

Ooof, the Middle East is probably 99%. But socialism baaaaaad, right?

[–] fatalicus 10 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

Wonder what their criteria for adding a country was.

If it was just all the highest, Norway should be on there with 76.3%

https://www.ssb.no/bygg-bolig-og-eiendom/bolig-og-boforhold/statistikk/boforhold-registerbasert

[–] pbbananaman 8 points 19 hours ago (3 children)

Is it fair to call a 70 year lease from the government “ownership”?

[–] [email protected] 6 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago) (2 children)

Nobody "owns" land. Even under capitalism. If you think you do, stop paying the ~~rent~~ tax you pay the government in order to "own" that land and see what happens.

Point is, even if you "own" a house, if the government decides they want to confiscate it, they have a whole army to do it. All ownership is always at the mercy of the government. (More accurately, ownership is at the mercy of whoever has the monopoly on violence, since they can only take ownership through it.)

[–] pbbananaman 1 points 1 hour ago

Just curious - what happens after that 70 years is up? I get to keep my property in perpetuity and pass it down generations as long as I pay my taxes. Is there any such guarantee in China?

[–] JargonWagon 1 points 12 minutes ago

"...if the government decides they want to confiscate it, they have a whole army to do it."

This feels pretty random to include. Did I miss something? Has the army been kicking people out of homes lately?

[–] [email protected] 5 points 10 hours ago

Other than the set duration, all ownership is at the government's pleasure everywhere. Luckily, in a lot of places governments serve at the pleasure of voters.

[–] [email protected] -3 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

Yeah China should definitely not be on this list.

Looking forward to the bot account's mental gymnastics to tell me why I'm wrong

[–] JargonWagon 1 points 4 minutes ago

Right? I call BS that 90% of China's 1.4+ billion people, own their homes.

[–] afk_strats 19 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Why is the flag of Chile used for China?

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 day ago

They goofed.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 day ago (4 children)

this misses an important point i think.

in germany people live for a very long time in the same rented apartment. 20-30 years is common, as i understand it. homeownership is not seen as a "goal". i think adding an axis for tenancy length would be useful.

[–] polysexualstick 11 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

Literally nobody I know is happy renting. They've all just accepted they can't afford buying.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 hours ago

In Germany a lot of people can afford a mortgage, but they choose not to buy. It's in part culture and fear of commitment, in part a need for high mobility within the country.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 14 hours ago

It is a goal as far as I can tell from my social environment. It's just financially unachievable for most of them and me. Heck, my brother-in-law works at VW in a rather high up position and still says it's not realistic to them. At least not without moving to a different state.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 15 hours ago

Might also have something to do with tenants having so many rights that they just don't have many of the disadvantages they'd have in other countries.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 day ago (1 children)

In Spain at least, a lot of ppl live in what looks like highrise apartment buildings, but many are actually condos owned out right. I'm surprised that's not more of the case in France and Germany, just letting landlords gobble up real estate like the US.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

What is the difference between a condo and a highrise ?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

A highrise just means any tall building, with enough floors to make an elevator required.

Housing highrise buildings can either have apartments for rent, or condos sold outright (usually with some kind of a homeowners association that takes care of utilities, trash, etc that you have to pay recurring fees to).

In my country (the US), highrise condos exist but are much rarer than every other form of housing. In Spain I saw a lot of highrise condo buildings, some of the condos even had two floors. Imagine a mansion inside of a highrise building, pretty neat.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 20 hours ago

Spain is a lot like the big cities of India than. I have recently seen ads for duplex highrise apartments here as well, but prohibitively expensive for me.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 day ago

Oh Garretts, that’s Chile’s 🇨🇱 flag, not China’s 🇨🇳.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 day ago (4 children)

86.6% looks too high for India.

[–] lastweakness 6 points 16 hours ago

Yeah, it's probably misreporting and probably also, "well they have a tiny hut for all members of the family in this god forsaken village while being stuck in eternal poverty, but that's enough to call it a house"

[–] MonkRome 5 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago)

India is often dishonest with their data. Many politicians will lie to save face. But even if the numbers are "real", it's worth asking yourself what they are considering a home. Plenty of people live in scrap houses on land they don't own, are they "homeowners" in this data. India has squatters rights, if they can't be removed from someone else's property they've lived in for decades are they "homeowners" in this data? If someone's has a live in servant who has a separated house on their property, are they "homeowners"? My guess is that india is defining homeowners very loosely.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 16 hours ago

I think with "awas" yojnas more homeowners are there

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago

It'd be worth looking into their source there.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 22 hours ago

In Spain, the rate has decreased 4 points in 10 years:

Hogares por régimen de tenencia de la vivienda y edad y sexo de la persona de referencia
Blue line: 30-44 years old. Green line: total.

Source: https://www.ine.es/jaxiT3/Datos.htm

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 day ago

I didn't know China was using the same flag as Chile

[–] Tehdastehdas -1 points 19 hours ago

Not a very useful measure if a country has cheap and reliable publicly owned rental apartments. I would prefer rental because it's easier to leave.

[–] assassinatedbyCIA 1 points 5 minutes ago

China is in south America?