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38 House Republicans give Trump the finger in shutdown vote (www.thedailybeast.com)

submitted 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) by MicroWave to c/politics

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Summary

A potential U.S. government shutdown looms after 38 House Republicans joined Democrats in rejecting a Trump-backed spending bill, which included a debt ceiling increase.

Trump derailed Speaker Mike Johnson’s initial bipartisan plan, causing GOP infighting and weakening Johnson’s leadership.

MAGA allies Elon Musk and Vivek Ramaswamy rallied for a shutdown, angering GOP moderates.

The failure could furlough federal workers and disrupt holiday travel.

Frustration grows within the GOP over chaotic negotiations, foreshadowing future challenges under Trump’s second-term agenda.

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[–] Rapidcreek 64 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

A real mess. Happy Shutdown Day.

Washington Post: “One major reason 38 Republicans opposed the bill is because of the last-minute insertion to lift the debt limit. It’s a congressional requirement that is usually necessary every couple of years, but one that no Republican likes to do and many refuse to vote for.”

“Trump had been asking Johnson to lift the debt ceiling before he takes office, two House GOP sources familiar with the request said. But one of the sources said Johnson had been reluctant because he said he doesn’t have the votes.”

[–] someguy3 24 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

because of the last-minute insertion to lift the debt limit

Last minute? Wasn't that the whole intent?

*Now that I'm reading the article:

Trump threw Johnson a surprise curveball by demanding lawmakers increase the U.S. debt ceiling—an issue that previously had nothing to do with negotiations to avoid a government shutdown.

[–] Rapidcreek 15 points 1 week ago (1 children)

The original intent was to fund the government. The debt ceiling is a much different thing.

[–] someguy3 5 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I thought it was funding the government by increasing the debt ceiling.

[–] Rapidcreek 11 points 1 week ago

The debt ceiling does not need to be increased to fund the government at this time. This was a Trump demand to suspend the debt limit 2 years.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 week ago (2 children)

A limit increase is different from lifting the limit. The wording is admittedly quite similar, but lifting means removing completely. So this whole song and dance never happens again.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Indeed; the debt limit forces Congress to show up for work and make decisions, including ones that aren’t politically expedient. If it is permanently lifted, the executive suddenly has an unlimited checking account, with limited accountability. Having that limit is what keeps congress in control of what gets done.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 week ago

I don't think having that limit realistically affects much other than government employees having to work unpaid for a while, but it is an area I feel like a compelling case could be made either way.

[–] someguy3 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Wouldn't that be removing the limit? To me "lifting the limit" means increasing it.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I'm only stating what the facts are. Often as it relates to law "lift" has an alternative meaning of to remove. Sometimes you see it with "lifting a ban" or "lifting restrictions".

[–] someguy3 1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Now that I read the article:

Trump threw Johnson a surprise curveball by demanding lawmakers increase the U.S. debt ceiling—an issue that previously had nothing to do with negotiations to avoid a government shutdown.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 week ago

Thanks for that. The site doesn't load for me with my current settings, so I figured it was more of this: https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/trump-calls-abolishing-debt-ceiling-rcna184820

[–] [email protected] 53 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Good reminder that there are fights to be had for his agenda and they are not forgone conclusions. They will have just a 3 seat majority in the house - and a 1 seat majority for a couple months with their planned vacancies. If they can lose 38 votes on their own funding bill, they can lose 3 on others

[–] [email protected] 35 points 1 week ago (1 children)

They're just fighting over the bag, which happens within the GOP during the best of times. Just because they aren't uniform in certain policy doesn't mean they won't rally together to strip rights away from minorities, or enact more Christ based fascism.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

I mean Matt Gatez already dropped out because he couldn't get the senate votes. You won't win every fight but that doesn't mean you can't win some important ones

For instance, the ACA survived narrowly, but it survived after people fought its repeal in the first term. It died in the senate narrowly. They had a much larger house majority (+26 more seats) then and it still barely passed the house 217-215

You only need 3 "moderate" republicans to vote against it. Or 3 MAGA republicans to vote against it because of petty reasons (maybe they're mad at the bill's author). Or just a few absences - there's republicans with attendance issues

[–] BrianTheeBiscuiteer 13 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I think part of the key here is encouraged infighting between Trump and his Cabinet (mainly Musk). They're all CEOs in one way or another and CEOs don't like being told what to do.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 week ago

The Democratic party actually seems to be getting that memo

The “President Musk” messaging is by design, at least partially. This week, according to a source with direct knowledge of the matter and another person briefed on it, at senior levels of different Democratic congressional offices, and also within the Democratic National Committee, discussions have been had about having party leaders and elected officials actively portray Musk as effectively Trump’s boss, and to do so during television appearances that the president-elect is likely to see. The idea is that it’s a cost-free opportunity to potentially drive a petty wedge between the notably mercurial and ego-obsessed Trump and his similarly emotive pal Musk, and to sow some chaos in the upper ranks of the Republican Party.

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/president-musk-dems-troll-trump-elon-1235211922/

[–] [email protected] 47 points 1 week ago (2 children)

People know that Trump isn't going to be there for them in the next election cycle.

[–] Diplomjodler3 22 points 1 week ago (1 children)

And I bet they're just waiting for the day he finally kicks the bucket. He did what they wanted him to do, namely deliver them a win. As there won't be another one, he's no longer useful.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 week ago

Look at how MLK became a conservative icon after he died.

Ray Bradbury called out Obama for not funding more space flights; after Ray died he was suddenly a life long GOP

[–] BrianTheeBiscuiteer 6 points 1 week ago (1 children)

He also has little to no loyalty. He'd throw anyone under the bus to make a dollar.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 week ago

Did you see the pictures of his first wife's grave?

He planted her on a golf course because you can't tax a cemetery

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/ivana-trump-grave-weeds/

[–] anon6789 20 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

• Aaron Bean (Fla.) • Andy Biggs (Ariz.) • Josh Brecheen (Okla.) • Tim Burchett (Tenn.) • Eric Burlison (Mo.) • Kat Cammack (Fla.) • Michael Cloud (Texas) • Andrew Clyde (Ga.) • Eli Crane (Ariz.) • John Curtis (Utah) • Jeff Duncan (S.C.) • Russ Fulcher (Idaho) • Bob Good (Va.) • Paul Gosar (Ariz.) • Andy Harris (Md.) • Wesley Hunt (Texas) • Doug Lamborn (Colo.) • Debbie Lesko (Ariz.) • Greg Lopez (Colo.) • Morgan Luttrell (Texas) • Nancy Mace (S.C.) • Thomas Massie (Ky.) • Richard McCormick (Ga.) • Cory Mills (Fla.) • Alexander Mooney (W. Va.) • Blake Moore (Utah) • Nathaniel Moran (Texas) • Ralph Norman (S.C.) • Andy Ogles (Tenn.) • Scott Perry (Pa.) • Bill Posey (Fla.) • Matt Rosendale (Mont.) • Chip Roy (Texas) • David Schweikert (Ariz.) • Keith Self (Texas) • Victoria Spartz (Ind.) • Thomas Tiffany (Wis.) • Beth Van Duyne (Texas)

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 week ago

They could make peace (aka Johnson could shut up and choke down some orange D) but I don't see Trump and our truculant Speaker really getting along well. Johnson is a principled corrupt shitbag, an actual Christian nationalist, while Trump just uses Xian nationalism as a prop.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Can someone explain this to me I’m not a U.S. citizen… trump isn’t even the acting president yet so this makes no sense to me..

[–] [email protected] 46 points 1 week ago (2 children)

He has no official power, but a lot of current Republican congressmen are spineless little shits who will do anything he tells them to do. And apparently Elon wants the government shut down so bullied trump into pushing for it

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Thanks for simplifying it and explaining it to me. How do you feel about Elon musk being involved in politics? It’s a little scary I think

[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 week ago

It's horrific and the logical conclusion of allowing billionaires to buy lawmakers. Now they're just being completely direct about it instead of hiding behind other lobbyists.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

It's honestly just business as usual in American politics, our leaders have been corporate puppets for decades. The only scary part is that they think their victory is so absolute that they can drop the mask.

[–] Scolding7300 2 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Why does Musk want to shut down the gov? Does he gain something from it?

[–] someguy3 5 points 1 week ago (1 children)

The right wing essentially wants to destroy the government, because they think the free market solves everything.

[–] Buddahriffic 3 points 1 week ago

They don't think the free market solves everything. They think a weaker government is easier to control and that struggling government workers are easier to buy.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 week ago

He may want to shut down some agencies that are currently investigating/ prosecuting him until trump actually gets in, like the national labor relations board and the epa.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 week ago

The real people in power are those who tell the best stories.

This tale is as old a civilization: a sword is powerful, but more powerful yet is a pen to instruct a thousand swords.

Maybe we have forgotten that, in this analogy, the pen isn't literally a pen in an oval office, rather it is a tweet plugged straight into people's brains.

Too many of you incorrectly assume that the real power of persuasion can only come from inside the Whitehouse, or some other institution, just because historically that is where it came from.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 week ago (3 children)

As someone not in the US, I'm hoping someone can explain.

Trump isn't in office yet. How can he have any say in this, other than just blowing hot air?

[–] MegaUltraChicken 38 points 1 week ago (1 children)

99.99% of GOP members are spineless cowards that will do whatever their daddy tells them to.

[–] BrianTheeBiscuiteer 24 points 1 week ago

Translation: They are scared of backlash from his supporters and donors. Figuratively speaking, our legislators are bought, not elected.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 week ago

President Musk is threatening to use daddy's money to primary anyone who doesn't lick Trump's diaper ring

[–] someguy3 4 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

This is decided by the House of Representatives, which is currently controlled by the GOP. They can't get their act together to decide to do either what they were working on for months, or do what Trump says (he wants to add a debt level increase), or do what musk says (refuse to pass it).

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 week ago (1 children)

People realize trump, elon, and the magat cult want the government shut down? This is exactly what they wanted. They want it shut down until trump is in. Go listen to what Victoria Spartz, one of the 38 repubs that voted no said on fox news. They want Johnson out as speaker and elon in. And every other Republican is blaming the dems for shutting the government down, not those 38. THE CULT GOT EXACTLY WHAT THEY WANTED.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 week ago

Trump publicly backed this new bill, and 38 of them voted publicly against it. It makes Trump look weak and Trump hates looking weak. He wouldn't have backed the bill if he thought it was going to get shot down like that

[–] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA 3 points 1 week ago

I don't necessarily like their reasoning, but I'll take their votes.