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[–] [email protected] 253 points 5 days ago (1 children)

this is why democrats will keep on losing. Aggressive campaigning against progressives. That's how they tanked Berny who had a real shot at trump at the time. They have mothballed trump indictments when they've had a chance to impeach him, they have gagged them this campaign and result is for everyone to see... Pelosi is a very mean and very capable machine of destryction when it comes to progressives and their ideas

[–] shalafi 69 points 5 days ago

No fucking lie. Democrats scrap like alley cats while liberals clutch their pearls viewing GOP hypocrisy. They stick together, no matter what, and they win.

[–] Yawweee877h444 218 points 5 days ago (2 children)

Remember, Pelosi has a net worth over $200mil.

"It's a big club, and she's in it."

Pelosi fucking sucks. AOC for pres.

[–] Allonzee 41 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

https://apnews.com/article/business-nancy-pelosi-congress-8685e82eb6d6e5b42413417f3d5d6775

We have no left party in the United States, merely an economically right-wing party to the left of a fascist party, with a few left-wing spoilers like AOC and Sanders that they despise far more than their fascist opposition party, because while Democrats and Republicans rage over social policy, often the symptoms of economic desperation, they drink from the same Wall Street gravy train and take the same orders on economic policy.

A party actually attempting to reorient our economy based on the needs and priorities of the citizens of our society would be catastrophic to their legalized bribery, and insider info feeding arrangement.

If you think either party under it's current form will EVER lead to any form of universal healthcare, you're deluding yourself.

The UK has had universal healthcare since 1948. Canada since 1968-1970(provinces rollout)

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[–] theangryseal 24 points 5 days ago (7 children)

I hope that someday we live in a world where that can happen.

Maybe if she gets a few felonies.

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[–] [email protected] 57 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Fuck Nancy Pelosoi and fuck corporate-owned democrats, and fuck the DNC.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil 22 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

All comes down to $$$

AOC is fine when she's getting trotted out on Twitch-Plays-Pokemon to beg for dollars. But actually giving her power? Fuck that. No business interest would ever donate to the party again if they thought she was what they'd be buying into.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 4 days ago (1 children)

You're... not making me say fuck the DNC any less with this comment, I hope you realize.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil 13 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (2 children)

No. But its worth understanding why AOC has survived in her seat longer than Cori Bush or Jamal Bowman did. She's been following the Sanders entryist playbook, thinking she can eventually get a seat at the table. But every two years, she gets played as a sucker - raising the party a ton of money, then getting stuffed back into the box when her usefulness has passed.

Bush and Bowman couldn't bring in that kind of coin, so they've been punted from the organization and replaced with more doctrinaire loyalists. AOC gets to hold her seat just so long as she finds enough people to keep bankrolling the consultant fees.

At some point, she needs to recognize she's being strung along or she just becomes another part of the problem.

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[–] [email protected] 133 points 5 days ago (2 children)

Burn the Democratic party to the ground. Their complicity has resulted in this state of affairs.

[–] [email protected] 49 points 5 days ago

none of the contemporary democrats have experience fighting fascists.

usually because they don't recognize their financial advisors as being fascists

[–] Clinicallydepressedpoochie 10 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (6 children)

It's a sunk cost. All the time and effort we spent propping them up could be use to build a new but people won't face the fact. They think they can slowly steer it in the right direction but all the effort that has to go in is easily reversed by some insignificant amount of money from the doner class.

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[–] thekerker 43 points 4 days ago

Wow I can't seem to figure out why Democrats keep losing elections

[–] [email protected] 117 points 5 days ago (1 children)

"I'm probably going to die before my term is over, but I need to ratfuck the next generation of politicians so fascists get even more chance at fucking over more Americans."

Might as well just vote yes on everything Trump says, Pelosi.

[–] return2ozma 19 points 5 days ago
[–] givesomefucks 125 points 5 days ago (12 children)

Fuck everything about Pelosi and her bullshit insider trading.

She's not there to help Americans, she's there to maximize her and her husbands investments.

"Blue no matter who" winds up like ghouls like this running the party, because they'll never give up personal.power, and corrupt enough to sell out for campaign donations.

We have to have more standard than the letter by a name.

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[–] [email protected] 35 points 4 days ago

Pelosi is as bad as Mitch. These corporate backed dinosaurs have no business representing the people.

[–] [email protected] 106 points 5 days ago (1 children)

No surprise there.

Establishment Democrats would rather have power held by Republicans than by progressive Democrats.

[–] nothingcorporate 43 points 5 days ago

And AOC has been kowtowing to Pelosi for the last few years in hopes of going along to get along. Hopefully this will wake up progressive Democrats to realize they will never be accepted by corporate Democrats, no matter how much they move to the right to appease them.

[–] Modern_medicine_isnt 31 points 4 days ago

Sounds like an endorsement then... enemy of my enemy and all.

[–] eran_morad 66 points 5 days ago (23 children)
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[–] Clinicallydepressedpoochie 24 points 4 days ago (12 children)

Look, I found the problem with the DNC. Yes, it's rotten to the core and you will never change it.

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 4 days ago

Old fucks clinging on to power relentlessly

[–] [email protected] 15 points 4 days ago

I'm glad she broke her hip. Genuinely, she deserves worse for constantly sabotaging any efforts to actually represent the working class in the Democratic Party.

[–] ATDA 23 points 4 days ago

"We should do a post mortem but first, fuck you specifically AOC."

[–] buddascrayon 16 points 4 days ago

Why the fuck won't that old bitch just get the fuck out? Her and Feinstein, two fucking peas in a pod. Dragging the entire democratic party down into the dumpster fire that it has become.

[–] TropicalDingdong 33 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Because of course she is.

The "Lessor evil" party folks.

[–] AlternatePersonMan 33 points 5 days ago (1 children)

I mean... Yes. They are less evil. Way less evil. It's not even close.

Pelosi is a giant piece of shit, but she doesn't make the top 75% of conservatives.

Also AOC is a goddamn gem. Conservatives have previously zero of those.

Are Democrats anywhere near where I want to be? No. But I can't see how anyone could say they're the same.

[–] TropicalDingdong 41 points 5 days ago (4 children)

There is a seemingly, almost intentional obtuseness to internal criticisms of the DNC from folks on the part of Democrats.

Fundamental to why the right has been able to organize a fascist takeover of this nation is actions like this from the Democratic party. Fascism in this country wouldn't be ascendant if the DNC didn't rat-fuck Bernie, twice. Health care CEO's wouldn't be getting gunned down in the street if the DNC forced M4A instead of the corporate sellout of Obamacare in 2016. Trump would not have won if Democrats had focused their efforts and spent their political capitol on issues that would make a fundamental difference in peoples lived experience in the period of 2021-2024. We wouldn't be in this position if Democrats didn't slow walk the prosecution of Donald Trump, effectively sitting on their hands until an election year to start taking action.

The state of this country is a direct consequence of the managerial class politics, which is all that the DNC has come to represent in a post 2024 world. They enable and empower the ratchet effect that allows the rightwing to become more and more fascist, because they are only ever willing to be a lessor evil.

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[–] [email protected] 29 points 5 days ago (6 children)

You know she's a great candidate for the people when her own party leaders don't want her in power.

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[–] Maggoty 11 points 4 days ago

Oh, an old guy, super surprised. But yeah if you haven't seen the other committee seat fights; there is a real fight going on right now for the future of the Democratic Party. The committee seats are probably the most outward expression of it.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 5 days ago (2 children)

Funny that lemmy.world keeps whining about .ml types trying to get people not to vote when these fucking neoliberal ghouls are a better argument against it than anything they could ever say.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 5 days ago (1 children)

I vote Democrat because the other option is a Fascist, Democrats do this shit like breathing and it only makes me hate filling the bubble of "Not the open fascist party" party.

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[–] BeatTakeshi 9 points 4 days ago

[indecipherable] you Nancy!

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