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Discussion of climate, how it is changing, activism around that, the politics, and the energy systems change we need in order to stabilize things.

As a starting point, the burning of fossil fuels, and to a lesser extent deforestation and release of methane are responsible for the warming in recent decades: Graph of temperature as observed with significant warming, and simulated without added greenhouse gases and other anthropogentic changes, which shows no significant warming

How much each change to the atmosphere has warmed the world: IPCC AR6 Figure 2 - Thee bar charts: first chart: how much each gas has warmed the world.  About 1C of total warming.  Second chart:  about 1.5C of total warming from well-mixed greenhouse gases, offset by 0.4C of cooling from aerosols and negligible influence from changes to solar output, volcanoes, and internal variability.  Third chart: about 1.25C of warming from CO2, 0.5C from methane, and a bunch more in small quantities from other gases.  About 0.5C of cooling with large error bars from SO2.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 15 hours ago

"new" study, draws half it's methodology from referencing older papers, including the problematic poore-nemecek 2018 piece.

[–] LengAwaits 3 points 1 day ago

There are an estimated 1.475 billion cars/trucks/vans in the world, as of 2023. 8 million is 0.005% of 1.475 billion.

Now, if they're going by the number of vehicles in the UK, then that number is obviously different. 41.2 million estimated vehicles in the UK. 8 million is a significantly larger percentage in that equation (19.4%). They also don't mention whether they're talking about ICE or electric cars, but I think it's safe to assume ICE. In 2023 there were 851,000 licensed zero emissions vehicles in the UK, up 57% from the prior year.

I'm a strong proponent for cutting your beef, lamb, cheese, coffee, and chocolate consumption , as they're among the worst, emissions-wise (bearing in mind this chart is by kilogram, not by calorie) by a long-shot, but we should be realistic about the things that are likely to do the most good.

We recommend four widely applicable high-impact (i.e. low emissions) actions with the potential to contribute to systemic change and substantially reduce annual personal emissions: having one fewer child (an average for developed countries of 58.6 tonnes CO2-equivalent (tCO2e) emission reductions per year), living car-free (2.4 tCO2e saved per year), avoiding airplane travel (1.6 tCO2e saved per roundtrip transatlantic flight) and eating a plant-based diet (0.8 tCO2e saved per year). These actions have much greater potential to reduce emissions than commonly promoted strategies like comprehensive recycling (four times less effective than a plant-based diet) or changing household lightbulbs (eight times less).

^https://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.1088/1748-9326/aa7541/pdf^

[–] ocassionallyaduck 5 points 1 day ago

Its also way better for you.

Legit, I was so warned about eating disorders when I was young, I never learned to just eat light and how fasting is a thing.

Eat some nuts and enjoy some other stuff. Meat shoumd ve cuts, and it should only 2-3 times a week.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Hey how about you cut down on private jets and I keep eating my burgers

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 day ago

Yeah right, eating less meat smells awful lot like "calculate your carbon footprint"

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago

Two things can both be done. Saying one thing is worse is only an excuse to do nothing. Those rich fucks on their jets will probably point to companies polluting more. Do what's best and advocate the same for others. Everyone just pointing to something else is how we end up in the situation we're in. "I got mine. Go attack them!" Changing ourselves allows us to see all issues and work on them all.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

You transition out of meat to save the environment.

I transitioned out of meat because of meat recalls and all the chemicals they sneak in a cow, and was ripping the hardest farts that would clear out a room.

We are not the same.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Dat odorless, anxiety-free, harmles fun of vegan farts!

[–] [email protected] 1 points 17 hours ago

Not kidding. Had a vegan apologize when she ripped a loud fart because steamed carrots made her gassy.

Not a single person smelled anything.

[–] [email protected] 62 points 2 days ago (3 children)

8 metres of cars??? What is that these days, one ford f150?

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago
[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Additional note: per UK. :) The predicted effect, either in meters or millions of cars, is if the UK inhabitants currently eating a high-meat diet switched to a low-meat diet.

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[–] homesweethomeMrL 45 points 2 days ago (26 children)

"I want to help save the earth!"

"Great! Eat less meat."

" . . . . No."

[–] [email protected] 41 points 2 days ago (16 children)

I mean, I’m 90% veg for environmental reasons mostly. But every time we share this narrative that the effort needs to be on us while the true culprits are literally upping their consumption is fucking sick. Don’t guilt people for not doing 1% of what is needed while the people/corpos doing the other 99% are pushing this “personal responsibility” narrative and literally created the language to deflect blame. We should be way more upset and spend 20000x the effort shaming and shutting down those organizations.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

It doesn't matter if you put 2000x your effort into something if it has no effect. If you spend all your day shaming these corporations on lemmy that won't do anything. So the question should be what actions can make an effect?

Protests don't really do much. Electoral politics, at least here in the u.s. , are completely captured by these corporations and will never truly challenge them. I doubt what just happened in NYC is a valid tactic either. A revolution or even just a general strike is pretty much out of the picture right now.

The best and only way to get at the mega corporations causing all the climate change is to boycott them. The meat industry is burning the Amazon and emitting tons of methane, boycott them and eat less / no meat. The fossil fuel industry is lobbying congress to deny climate change while increasing production and emitting more every year, boycott them and buy less gas by driving less or taking public transit.

In this capitalist hellscape the only real choice we have is of consumption, and choosing what to consume and more importantly what not to consume is the only real way we can effect the system.

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago (3 children)

I wish cloned meat was a viable thing. No animal suffering, far less pollution, sticking it to the vegan.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 day ago (3 children)

There are great alternatives today like impossible, beyond and tofurky. There’s no need to wait for lab grown meat. That’s like saying sticking it to the abolitionists and feminists. It’s silly to want to stick it to the most moral people in the world.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

abolitionists and feminists fight for human dignity. comparing them to animals undermines human dignity

[–] UmeU 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

I don’t care what anyone says, take some dry aged ribeye cooked to perfection, or some smoked ribs falling off the bone and compare that to some frozen tofurky log and tell me with a straight face that that’s an alternative. Forget about ballpark, gardein and beyond aren’t even playing the same sport when it comes to something like a smoked turkey leg.

Veganism is admirable. Animal welfare, carbon emissions, nutrition, these are all good reasons to stop eating meat altogether. But let’s not delude ourselves here, meat can be just about the most delicious food in existence. I have tried tons of fake meat products and they all taste like sodium cardboard nuggets.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago

No idea what that is about, maybe because I do want to eat meat, without the moral implications.

Anyway, I doubt I can get away with it in this conservative shithole country. If I didn't live with my parents, I would have cut meat quite a lot. I actually prefer salads and such.

[–] Jtotheb 5 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

~~• save the planet~~

~~• save the animals~~

• stick it to the people who thought of all that first

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago

But they hurt my fee fees with their mean words!

[–] I_Miss_Daniel 41 points 2 days ago (4 children)

I've seen very few 8 metre cars on the road...

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[–] ohwhatfollyisman 59 points 2 days ago (13 children)

great. but why don't we go double and also take 8m cars off the road?

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 days ago (11 children)

While I support not eating meat, I am also realistic and reducing is good enough.

But the problem is that not every meat is created the same. There is one footprint for meat feom animals that are grazing and are used in regenerative agriculture and much bigger from industrial farming of cows fed with irrigated alfalfa in desert.

[–] fuck_u_spez_in_particular 5 points 1 day ago

It should certainly be the first step. I've started like this, continuously less meat, your gut-biome slowly adjusts. I'm still not vegan/vegetarian but basically eat no meat anymore (mostly leftovers of others). A good part of it is that I just don't really like meat anymore (tastes kind of rotten?).

I recommend going this route, as I think it's easier to get into a vegan diet.

That said I think we (as a global society) should strive towards eating only vegan long-term. We got the food science and it just feels wrong (moral, inefficiency, health) and isn't sustainable.

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 2 days ago (10 children)

If eating no meat at all is too hard, from a climate perspective eating no beef will have the biggest impact. Eating no ruminants to be specific, but hardly anyone is eating bison/sheep/goat on the regular.

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