Happy birthday to Let's Encrypt !
Huge thanks to everyone involved in making HTTPS available to everyone for free !
Man I love let's encrypt, remember how terrible ssl was before the project landed?
this post was submitted on 18 Nov 2024
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Crazy times. Nowadays it's weird when a website doesn't have https. Back then it was pretty much big companies only. And the price of a wildcard certificate...
Except for neverssl.com
Triggering the launch of captive portals for public Wi-Fi users everywhere yayy
That website says it will never use SSL, but it definitely just connected over https with a valid certificate when I went there.
That's odd. Try httpforever.com instead.
I did not have the money to pay the insane amounts these greedy for-profit certificate authorities asked, so I only remember the pain of trying to setup my self-signed root certificate on my several devices/browsers, and then being unable to recover my private key because I went over the top with securing it.
And if you remember, that this whole shebang was only started, because Snowden revealed that the NSA spied on all of us, it's getting much much darker.
People behave as if having a green lock icon were enough to consider you're safe.
People behave as if there were not multiple cases of abuse of PKI.
People behave as if all those whistleblowing cases exposing widespread illegal activities by the state were not treated as normal, except those exposing them being chased and vilified.
What I'm trying to say is that we're past the stage where techno-optimism about the Internet made sense. They just say in the news that abusing you is good, and everybody just takes it.
I always had to fill out multiple pages of forms to get those free 1 year "trial" certs from startssl.
Oh man, I forgot about startssl until just now. I definitely had a few of those certs. If you wanted something fancy like a wildcard cert back then, you were paying $$$
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Remember they wanted like $75 for certs? The gall.
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And it changed the Internet, for good and a lot.
SSL Certs were so god awful before certbot that it’s hard to explain now that it’s so easy and free.
Also fucking expensive
Damn! That's definitely a "I'm old" moment for me. I still remember when I first heard about the concept and I remember setting it up the first time on a self hosted project (which seemed harder back then).
Awesome project!
A client of mine pays for an SSL cert he doesn’t even use. I’ve told him before I moved him to Let’s Encrypt because I was able to automate the renew process. He decided he needed to continue paying for the SSL cert. I told him we are not using it, but he doesn’t believe me. So he continues to pay for it.
I love it when companies are too stubborn to update their costs despite the necessity changing over the years.
My previous employment kept buying microsoft office license keys despite us already moving to 365. They probably did it out of habit when buying new computers. Needless to say I have a cardstack of license keys at home lol. Granted it’s for Office 2013 but I don’t really need the latest version for basic document processing.
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TLS certificates have huge margins, so web hosts love selling them.
Lol I instinctively freaked out when I saw the post preview assuming it was going to be a post about a major data breach or exploit of some sort relating to Let's Encrypt.
I probably need more positivity in my life 😂
I worked for a company we had 300 websites, the boss wanted to buy certs. I told him about Lets Encrypt. He loved the idea it saved us a bunch of money. I suggest we donate $100 to them. Hes says "NO F-ing way!".
And my parents still buy SSL certs because that's just what they know 🤢
Today it's just more or less stupid to buy SSL you can get one extremely easy for free from Let's Encrypt or Google Trust..
Yeah, I uh...I think that's kinda what this whole conversation here is about
I've tried explaining to them before, but they think that it's a scam because it's free lol
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It doesn't say on the website but on their anniversary day they are giving away unlimited ssl certs!
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Let's Encrypt is amazing, but are there any equally trustworthy alternatives people could switch to if something bad happens to it?
They came up with the ACME protocol, so presumably somebody could. The real barrier to entry is the cost of getting into that certificate chain of trust. I have no idea why it's so difficult and expensive.
Well, it's difficult, as it should be, because if you control a certificate in the active chain of trust of browsers, you can hack pretty much anything you want.
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If it begins to enshitify, someone will quickly take up the helm. It's become so core now that someone like Cloudflare would just be like "We do this now."
Cloudflare sort of provides this now by being a MITM to secure your site between your server and the end user. But this requires you and your end user to trust Cloudflare.
And fwiw the ACME protocol is open so anyone can implement it. I believe even the ACME software that EFF sends out allows you to choose your server with some configuration.
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Huge impact on a tiny budget - that’s extremely impressive. The world could be so much better without rent seeking parasites.
Just two months ago, a security team member dinged one of our services for using Lets Encrypt, as "it's not as secure as a traditional CA".
I'd love for them to explain how, if anything the short cert validity and constant re-checking of the domain seems more secure than traditional CAs
I'd also argue that the fact that it's 100% automated and their software is open source makes it objectively more secure. On the issuing side, there's no room for human error, social engineering, etc.
It's sad that these arguments are still being shared. It was the same arguments years ago from people that would just assume that a free cert was inherently unsafe.
Can anyone fill me on this? Why is it so significant?
HTTPS certs used to be very expensive and technically complicated, making it out of reach for most smaller orgs. Let's Encrypt brought easy mass adoption and changed encryption availability on the web for everyone.
They also made it a open protocol (the ACME protocol), so now there's a bunch of certificate providers that implement the same protocol and thus can work with the same client apps (Certbot, acme.sh, etc). I know Sectigo and GoDaddy support ACME at least. So even if you don't use Let's Encrypt, you can still benefit from their work.
It is the free, easy way to get an SSL cert (plus automated renewals). Without it, maybe HTTPS wouldn't have been so omnipresent.
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Yay for their glorious, free trusted ssl certs. Love this project!
Lots of people shitting on stories of people who buy certs.
You do still have to buy a cert if you want one for a .onion. Let's encrypt still doesn't support it :(
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Underrated. Stuff rocks.
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