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Why are distro communities turning linux more and more into Windows and Mac OS clones?

This is why I use Arch.

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[–] seaQueue 103 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Friends don't let friends use Manjaro

Use EndeavourOS or another Arch derivative instead.

[–] [email protected] 33 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Or just plain arch. Installing it with archinstall isn't that hard

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[–] TheGrandNagus 73 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

I'm usually a defender of opt-out telemetry in Linux, what with it usually being trivial to untick in the installer, the telemetry not being invasive, the telemetry being private and not being able to identify people, it being used to actually benefit Linux rather than make money, and because opt-in telemetry is useless (as repeatedly stated by multiple Linux projects that I trust, such as KDE and Gnome)...

That said, holy shit this telemetry collects stuff it really should not be collecting. This is not what Linux telemetry should be. Doubly so from a distro with a troubled past in terms of management and security. This is a red flag.

[–] seaQueue 8 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Manjaro manages to do just about everything wrong for one reason or another. They're trying to be the Canonical of the Arch ecosystem and they're not even close to competent enough to pull it off.

I'm sure they'll find some way to DDOS something with their own telemetry sooner or later.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago

Yeah, I don't understand why people use it, it's just more buggy Arch. If you really don't want to deal with the installer, use an installer like Endeavor OS.

Or if you think Arch is unstable, use a different distro, because Manjaro is worse. I like openSUSE Tumbleweed (also rolling, but much more reliable), and there are tons of other great distros (Fedora/Garuda, Debian/Mint, etc). Use pretty much anything but Manjaro...

[–] Dezzorian 6 points 1 month ago

For gaming rigs, check out Garuda, imo a pretty nice Arch distro without telemetry and easy installation.

[–] [email protected] 37 points 1 month ago (16 children)

Oh, you can vote whether it should be opt-in or opt-out.
Oh, voting requires "Trust level 1".

Anyway, I may stop donating to Manjaro due to this. Now I just go with Arch anyway. archinstall even makes it quick to setup a VM.

[–] ilmagico 7 points 1 month ago

I had a forum account from long ago that I barely use and even I was able to vote ... so if you had an account there, give it a try and vote!

[–] bruhduh 4 points 1 month ago

The only thing archinstall script misses for me is option for flatpak setup from the get go

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[–] MissyBee 26 points 1 month ago (5 children)

Oh boy looks like my weekend will be spend learning and trying to install Arch without a graphical installer. To be fair Manjaro on my laptop was my first try at Arch. I never thought how much I will come to like AUR.

EndevaourOS is already on my gaming rig so plain Arch for my laptop seems like a good challenge. Farewell Manjaro, I learned a lot

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 month ago

the archinstall script is officially supported and very straightforward. like, almost Calamares-but-in-TUI straightforward.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 month ago

Going to second other comments. Even without archinstall. It feels like it will be harder than it is. Umm, just save yourself a bit of time and configure the network and install a console editor (nano/vim whatever) while in the chroot (if going full manual). It was a minor pain to work around that for me.

There are pages discussing how to do everything (helps to have a laptop with browser, or a phone to look them up). At the end, you generally know exactly what you installed (OK no-one watches all the dependencies), and I've found any borks that happen easy to fix because I know what I installed.

[–] seaQueue 8 points 1 month ago (1 children)

It's not that hard, just read the install guides and instructions. My first Arch install was like 8y ago and I expected it to be difficult - it wasn't.

[–] AkatsukiLevi 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Meanwhile my first Gentoo system... I was expecting to be not so bad.... Holy f I was wrong

[–] seaQueue 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

The compile times are abusive on older hardware for sure

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[–] AkatsukiLevi 6 points 1 month ago (1 children)

After you figure out how to properly partition your disk, you learn how the entire setup is actually quite simple Basically, Mount partitions, pacstrap to install the base system, generate fstab, chroot in, create a unprivileged user and add it to sudo, setup grub, configure internet, exit chroot and unmount, reboot into the newly installed system, configure X11/Wayland to your liking

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Installing Arch is a lot easier than fixing a bad Manjaro update. I get that it's intimidating, but it's really quite easy if you can follow instructions, but budget a couple hours your first time because you'll probably second-guess everything. The second time should be more like 30 min.

[–] AkatsukiLevi 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

'Till you figure out that, on Arch, if you missed/broke anything, you can boot into the Arch USB, mount your root into /mnt, and arch-chroot in to fix whatever is broken

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago (3 children)

Yup, a live image works in a pinch. IMO, just use BTRFS on root and install something like snapper to handle snapshots and you shouldn't need the live USB (unless you bork your bootloader somehow).

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago

I highly recommend BTRFS as your root filesystem, and then configure snapshots. This way if an update goes sideways (pretty rare), you can roll back and wait for fixes.

I haven't used Arch for a few years, but my openSUSE Tumbleweed install came with it by default, and it has saved me a few times in the 7 or so years I've used it. Maybe the new instructions include that, idk, but you'll be glad you have it.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 month ago

Opt out telemetry is annoying. There's no guarantee it doesn't send before I've had a chance to disable.

[–] BassTurd 14 points 1 month ago

If I were using Manjaro right now, at the first opportunity, I would be switching to something else. Too much enshitification happening everywhere, and people need to start voting with their "wallets" to stop these greedy fucks.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Finally time to update manjarno.snorlax.sh again -_-

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 month ago (6 children)

I was just getting used to using Manjaro for my dev machines due to rolling release. Gotta find new flavor now.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Yup saw it recommended in one of the comments as well, I'll look it up.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago (1 children)

OpenSuse Tumbleweed. Reliable and up to date.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago

Haven't touched suse ecosystem since they were suse. Now I just feel comfortable with Debian or arch.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago (3 children)

Great...Right now, when I was thinking about finally installing Manjaro (I saw its for noobs, pretty well designed, i'm tired of "power users" distros). What else then? I used EOS, it was buggy sometimes errors etc., I use cachyOS and all the time errors and problems, but i just don't care anymore, Ubuntu is corporate's shit, maybe Mint or Fedora? Actually, I kinda liked flatpak recently, maybe I could live without AUR he? But on the other hand I need this rolling release cycle, thats why I hoped Manjaro is such "stable arch", I'm nvidia user...

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

EndeavorOS is what you want, fits the same niche but without being fucking Manjaro. :-)

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[–] JustARaccoon 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Could also check out openSUSE if you don't mind the lack of an AUR

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

What is your preferred desktop environment from below?

Based on your choice I can recommend you a one.

Also do you prefer stability or getting the latest updates?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

KDE only, I would prefer stability (as I'm tired of things breaking up), but I need latest updates (thats why i liked flatpak, cuz it partially replaces need of AUR).

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Let me warn you first, your GPU might cause some issues with the distro.

Based on all the info you told me about the distro you want, I would recommend Opensuse Tumbleweed.

After installing you would just need to install Nvidia drivers and the codecs and you will be ready to go.

If you plan to use flatpacks for your media playing software and browser then you won't need codecs as it's included in the flatpacks.

Just don't forget to configure auto update and when you start installing at the final screen before clicking install make sure that ssh is disabled and selinux is enabled for extra security.

Extra notes:

  • The default browser is firefox, but it can be replaced with any other browser.

  • If you want a working office suite and you don't have high requirements, you can choose between Libre Office, Free office[Prop] or WPS office [Prop].

I hope you enjoy your time on linux.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago

I have to admit its interesting pick, I will try that out first in VM, thanks for suggestion :)

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Damn. I really liked manjaro

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago

since a third of manjaro is coming form austria, i apologize ⅓ times for its existence

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