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Baby red panda dies due to 'stress caused by fireworks,' renewing calls to ban their public sale (abcnews.go.com)

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A baby red panda named Roxie at the Royal Zoological Society of Scotland died from “stress caused by fireworks” after choking on her vomit, just days after her mother’s sudden death.

The incident, occurring around the U.K.’s Bonfire Night celebrations, has led to renewed calls for stricter fireworks regulations.

A petition with over a million signatures urging restrictions on public fireworks sales was submitted to the U.K. government.

Edinburgh recently implemented limited fireworks control zones, but animal welfare advocates argue for broader measures to prevent similar tragedies.

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[–] Modern_medicine_isnt 18 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

This is just sensational reporting. From the comments, it looks like it is working. Usesome of the critical thinking we ask trump supporters to use. Medical science isn't at the point that it can know which source of stress caused a thing. And in this case the baby had also lost it's mother, a source of comfort. And read the whole article. "We know that fireworks can cause stress to other animals in the zoo and we cannot rule out that they may have contributed to the untimely death of Roxie's mother Ginger, just five days' earlier."

They don't even know what killed the mother.

I am sure the fireworks were a contributing factor, but sounds like the baby was already in a weakened state.

We collectively need to get over this concept that media is accurately representing the truth with intent to inform. Media is a business. It's intent is to make money. And with lot's of competitors, it can only survive by making the stories it reports more sensational than they are (cause their competitors are doing it) to get the clicks. Some are better than others, but they all have to do it to survive.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

You're correct that people should apply critical thought, and using a cute baby animal for this message is manipulative and people should be aware of that, but it doesn't make the message any less important. There are many reasons to ban them. They look somewhat pretty, but you can go to a show done by professionals that'll be more impressive.

Fireworks not only cause stress for animals, but also humans. (A pet peeve of mine is memorial day/Veterans day fireworks shows. In what world is throwing explosives around good for former soldiers?) They are a not insignificant cause of fires. They're just generally harmful and do very little good. We don't need them.

If spreading a manipulative article works to change people's minds towards something better, it's probably worth it. You can be sure other people are doing it against good.

[–] Modern_medicine_isnt -1 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

Hello JD Vance. If you need deception to change people's minds, maybe it's you who is wrong.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

Nope. If you just lay down and let the bad guys win because you refuse to fight, that isn't the moral option. Be honest and use reason where it's valuable, but don't refuse to use emotions when that's useful too. People with bad intention will be using it and refusing to play the game is only empowering them.

[–] P00ptart 2 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

Anger is a much more useful emotion than sadness.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 hour ago

I believe compassion to be more constructive, but fear and anger are definitely more motivating. All emotions are sometimes useful and always an opportunity for manipulation, for better or worse, that people should be aware of.

[–] kinther 24 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

I used to think fireworks were fun, but after getting a dog that is terrified of them, you start noticing all the little things.

People shoot then off randomly throughout the year. They leave behind garbage waste. Animals and even some humans seem to get PTSD from them.

I'm in favor of very limited fireworks in specific areas.

[–] P00ptart 3 points 1 hour ago

I'm a veteran and used to get worked up by them. It took a few years but I mostly got over it because they were predictable, the city put out notices as well as the local baseball team. And then they were legalized for a specific time frame for everybody. Any random asshole could buy and shoot off fireworks during a 3 day window.

Cool, I can hang with that. But then they shoot them off randomly for the 2 weeks surrounding the weekend that they're allowed. That I can't hang with. Especially during the day. Why the fuck are you shooting them off during the day anyways?!? You can't see it! The thing that pisses me off the most? The motherfuckers shooting shit off at random times and days? Those assholes would happily suck my dick if I told them I'm a veteran and told them to do so. But then they'd fire off more fireworks to celebrate doing so.

[–] MaxPow3r11 10 points 16 hours ago

Fireworks fucking suck & it's exactly the assholes you expect who promote/buy/use them.

[–] Dead_or_Alive 15 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

Yeah if man made noise is a problem for a species maybe don’t house them in the FUCKING CITY…

[–] ironchico 3 points 12 hours ago

Here’s Another thought too. Zoos are notorious for animal cruelty issues. How about not have animals locked up cruelly for our entertainment.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 18 hours ago

I find it immensely infuriating that the article's byline shows they are reporting from 'London' when in fact this happened not just in a different city, Edinburgh, but in a completely different country, Scotland.

Sad about the pandas, there are far too many people that simply can't be trusted with fireworks. Limiting it to a single night in dedicated display venues run by licensed organisations wouldn't remove the noise entirely, but it would reduce the frequency and would probably help all animals.

[–] [email protected] 111 points 1 day ago (16 children)

So the zoo loses 2 red pandas in a couple days and instead of investigating the conditions of their care, they blame it on the public being loud?

There are easy ways to protect your pets from fireworks noise so this stinks of scapegoating for their own terrible care.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 day ago

Red panda infants are pretty fragile and often don’t survive in captivity. I would assume the mom passed away from complications due to birthing, but it could be anything.

[–] iAvicenna 6 points 20 hours ago (3 children)

instead of investigating the conditions

Yea they should have sent some vet experts to investigate. Oh wait...

"Veterinary experts at the Royal Zoological Society of Scotland announced on Wednesday that a 3-month-old panda named Roxie died "due to stress caused by fireworks being let off across the city centre."

Ofcourse they could always just be there to burry evidence to further their holy crusade against fireworks!

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[–] chemical_cutthroat 93 points 1 day ago (10 children)

I'm dubious. Mom dies suddenly, then baby dies suddenly after choking on it's own vomit. Yeah, no, let's blame the fireworks. Surely, nothing else could be the cause of Red Panda deaths at this zoo.

[–] [email protected] 42 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I had a whole thing earlier but was mistaken, the baby was 3 months old not a newborn. Either way, I still don't doubt that fireworks could easily stress out a very young animal and be the tipping point of their health.

I'm not sure what could motivate them to make a grand conspiracy against fireworks, rather than the more likely result of them being exhausted and frustrated caretakers who, like any pet owner, probably spent that evening trying to calm the panda down only to watch it panic until it died. Stress vomiting isn't really rare for animals on the 4th of July. It's just the extreme end of stress.

[–] chemical_cutthroat 17 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I'm not saying that it's a conspiracy against fireworks, but possibly a problem with the habitat, food, or something else that would cause big issues for the zoo if discovered. The fireworks were convenient. I have zero evidence for this other than the fact that a lot of zoos are complete cesspools, and so I typically don't trust "suddenly died" followed three days later by another "suddenly died" regardless of how many fireworks were launched off.

Also, there is this line:

Roxie had access to her den but the frightening noises seem to have been too much for her.

Seems like the zoo just left a weak animal to suffer instead of taking precautions to assure that the panda was placed in a safe location. It makes me doubt that anyone was even there, and that the zookeepers returned the following day to a dead red panda and tried to cover it up.

[–] MonsterMonster 11 points 1 day ago (2 children)

"I have zero evidence for this..."

Says it all really.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

RIP little baby. I always feel guilty when watching fireworks...

[–] [email protected] 6 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

Only my daughter goes to fireworks out of all my kids. I always make sure to remind her and everyone else we are with that even though they are enjoyable they distress the fuck out of wildlife and result in many deaths. Yes, they're cool AF but think if aliens came here tomorrow. It's no different than us going WTF at people firing AKs into the sky at a wedding. Only difference is the pretty colours and the method of firing. We are such a destructive species.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

A well-made and safely launched firework has a way lower chance of returning to earth than a 7.62 bullet.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

So... Where do they go? Space?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 hours ago

Combustion creates gas, or did you forget elementary school science?

[–] iAvicenna 5 points 20 hours ago* (last edited 20 hours ago)

Go on guys teach those no good experts how to do their jobs!

I feel the need to put the /s tag seeing the comments in this topic.

[–] Bogusmcfakester 7 points 22 hours ago* (last edited 22 hours ago) (2 children)

A lot of people in the comment here are being pretty obtuse, I'm doubtful many are even from the UK and understand the scale of celebrations with Guy Fawks and Divali being so close together this year

[–] [email protected] 2 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

Not even just that. I can't speak for Edinburgh, but in the area I live in in Glasgow we've had random fireworks go off during the day for weeks leading up to Guy Fawkes. One big explosion every now and then. One day, still bright out, I was walking home and almost hit the deck because one went off so close to me out of nowhere.

After Guy Fawkes it has been less frequent, but still happens, at very odd times. You can even check news and see that it's been an issue for a while. E.g.: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c0j87zneq4vo

It stresses me out a bit, and I spend most of my time in my own home, with decent soundproofing. And I'm not a sensitive endangered animal.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 15 hours ago

We still have idiots here where I live in SE London letting off fireworks, last night was some. This last week or so my autoimmune illnesses are flaring up again so lot of pain and unwell, few days ago idiots let off more fireworks so loud I had to cover ears and take strong painkillers to try cope with effects of explosions :o(

Hopefully no more fireworks, still recovering, hands, arms, back, chest and left leg still in pain with, hope will get better soon :o(

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[–] werefreeatlast 10 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Hey, if your country is overrun by red panda infestations, you know exactly what to do!

[–] FuglyDuck 14 points 1 day ago (4 children)

Die from cuteness overload?

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 day ago

We’re super cute, so you’d expect that people would want to keep us around, but our existence is still endangered. Please don’t scare us to death.

Signed:

A fuzzy red panda

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