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[–] [email protected] 106 points 1 month ago (5 children)

This infuriates me.

I would actually love to do more to REDUCE my carbon footprint, but it's prohibitively expensive to.

But billionaires (and millionaires) can literally greenify every aspect of their lives, even be carbon-neutral or carbon negative! But they choose not to.

I think taxing the rich just isn't enough. We need to CAP the rich. There should be no billionaires.

[–] captainlezbian 20 points 1 month ago (1 children)

They can spend millions trying to reduce everyone’s carbon footprints. Like literally they can lobby for trains and shit. But no they won’t.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 weeks ago
  1. Not a billionaire.
  2. I've seen no indication he is carbon neutral or that he makes large green infrastructure investments.
[–] godlessworm 8 points 1 month ago

yeah we do need to bust a cap in the rich, i agree

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Carefully Autopsy their Person?
Sounds good.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago

Cap them in their knees.

[–] tee9000 4 points 1 month ago (3 children)

Its designed to infuriate you. This is not personal emissions of billionaires, its including their businesses.

[–] godlessworm 5 points 1 month ago

brother, that doesn't make it any better. these pieces of shit can do more pollution in 90 minutes than any of us will in a life time since it's for their business? the one which is such a massive operation of exploitation and extraction that it earns them billions of illbegotten dollars, which is why they're being talked about to begin with?

"this infuriating shit was designed to infuriate you, don't be infuriated, just accept it instead!"

this is the same stupid shit argument as "um bezos can't pay more taxes bc he doesn't actually have all the money his networth implies, that's not how networth works" as if people mad at jeff bezos or any of these other worthless rich parasites don't know that, as if we need someone like you to explain some stupid shit to us

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago

This is not personal emissions of billionaires, its including their businesses.

The Oxfam report says that private planes and "superyachts" are contributing factors, as well as investments in polluting industries like oil and mining.

Nowhere does it mention that their businesses are what's contributing to their carbon footprint. They are explicitly talking about their lifestyle choices.

So, I'm not sure where you got that info from, but if they are including businesses that these billionaires run, I'd be interested in seeing that data.

Mind you, the majority of these billionaires are in software... a business that's very easy to convert over to a carbon-neutral model, especially with their resources.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

A billionaire is a business themselves. One person can't even passively possess a billion dollars without tons of support staff

If you separate the direct actions of the person from the actions of the staff required to maintain and grow their wealth, you're missing most of the reason why billionaires are so harmful to society

[–] tee9000 3 points 1 month ago (3 children)

Either we need the figures to represent a billionaires emissions when dealing only with their personal benefit, or we offset the current figures with the benefit to society for their ventures.

Im sure their personal emissions are bad enough. We dont need to make shit up. If willful ignornace had a physical form, it would be Lemmy's mascot. Truth is the only thing that matters.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago (4 children)

But again, it's all for their personal benefit. A human Their money is managed to grow by any means, and that has a lot of knock on effects

They generally either put their money in funds with the highest returns (which often use unethical and illegal but accepted practices, and the best ones require large minimum deposits), or they directly own large percentages of a company and use that influence when it suits them

I see where you're coming from, but I think the line is blurry. Their direct personal actions don't capture the full extent of their actions, but this also assumes full responsibility for their ownership, where honestly it's impossible to know what level of emissions the companies would have if the billionaire's wealth machine wasn't involved

I wouldn't say this is totally unfair to say though - at the end of the day they own what they own, and letting others do your dirty work doesn't absolve you of responsibility

The fact that their life would barely be affected if they added emissions to their criteria for investment makes this worse - these are the figures the billionaires should be looking at to make decisions

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[–] [email protected] 42 points 1 month ago (4 children)

Please don’t use this as an excuse for. “It doesn’t matter how much I emit then”.

Use this as motivation for grassroots and political action aiming to stop the concept of billionaire from existing.

[–] Gradually_Adjusting 15 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I think I just found out I can reverse my entire life's footprint if I can manage to blow smoke in one billionaire's face.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

Probably two lives, given their security will likely shoot you in the face.

ACAB.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago (6 children)

... billionaires' security are not cops

[–] Zorque 3 points 1 month ago

True, there's no masking in private security.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago

Also I doubt anyone in this comment section is average.

The average sits somewhere between us and the all the people in third world country who emit practically no carbon pollution

[–] P1nkman 2 points 1 month ago

The only way to stop it is when we're hungry enough, and it's time to eat.

[–] drmoose 1 points 3 weeks ago

Why should I restrict my limited lifetime on contributing pennies to solving this issue when there are mountains of gold right there doing nothing? I'm not bending over backwards unless the big ones bend with me — pretty fair stance to take, right?

[–] [email protected] 27 points 1 month ago (1 children)

So stop eating cows and eat the rich instead?

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 month ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago)

Whether or not you eat the rich, please consider not eating the cows.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 month ago (12 children)

There is no such thing as an innocent billionaire.

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 month ago

Damn, thank god we killed plastic straws for people with sensitive mouth problems. Thank god Musk can ride his jet 24/7.

[–] SpaceNoodle 13 points 1 month ago (1 children)

For perspective, that's over 400,000x as much. As in 40,000,000%.

[–] edgemaster72 7 points 1 month ago

When no one was looking, Lex Luthor polluted forty million percent more than an average person. He polluted 40,000,000% more. That's as many as four tens (times a million)%. And that's terrible.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 month ago (2 children)

wow they must be breathing really hard then

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Of course... Work hard, breath hard... A million times harder than you or me, based on income.. /s

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago (1 children)

At some point, things are gonna get bad enough that the masses will turn on them. That’s why they’re all buying islands and building bunkers. We should do it now, while it can make a difference.

[–] Clent 5 points 1 month ago

Allowing to self exile to islands will make it easier to trap them. Simply destroy their means of leaving.

Bunkers are even easier, burying them in trash.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago

But I'm the asshole for not using the public transportation my city doesn't have. Anyway, I need to get to the grocery store I should start walking now so I can be there before it closes in 2 hours.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago

Don't worry, I got this. I went to the shop by foot today instead of driving.

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