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[–] [email protected] 51 points 1 week ago (10 children)

To be clear, sometimes authority bias is good and proper. For instance, valuing the opinion of a climate scientist who has been studying climate chaos for thirty years more than your Aunt who saw Rush Limbaugh say climate change is a hoax in the 1990s is normal and rational.

Basically, authority bias as a reasoning flaw stems from misidentifying who is authoritative on a subject.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 week ago (1 children)

In a vacuum, appealing to authority is fallacious. An idea must stand up on its own merits.

IRL, things get fuzzy. No one has the expertise and time to derive everything from first principles and redo every experiment ever performed. Thus we sadly have to have some level of trust in people.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

As long as the paper has the experiment well documented and it's double blind, you don't need to appeal to authority.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 week ago

Counterpoint: the replication crisis

[–] shneancy 3 points 1 week ago

not all bias is made equal or always something negative. Sometimes it's good to be biased towards the opinion of a scientist over the opinion of your aunt.

[–] trolololol 2 points 1 week ago

Well most people will choose a politician or actor instead of unknown Nobel prize winner. That's how we got here.

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[–] yesman 26 points 1 week ago (3 children)

YSK: the Dunning-Kruger effect is controversial because it's part of psychology's repeatability problem.

Other famous psychology experiments like the 'Stanford prison experiment' or the 'Milgram experiment' fail to show what you learned in psych101. The prison experiment was so flawed as to be useless, and variations on the Milgram experiment show the opposite effect from the original.

For those familiar with the Milgram experiment: one variation of the study saw the "scientist" running the test replaced with a policeman or a military officer. In these circumstances, almost everybody refused to use high voltage.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 week ago

Controversial in the sense that it can be easily applied to anyone. There is some substance to the idea that a person can trick themselves into thinking they know more based on limited info. A lot of these biases are like that, they aren't cut and dry but more of an gray area where people can be fooled in various ways. Critical thinking is hard even if it's taught, and it's not taught well enough or at all.

And all of that is my opinion and falls into various biases, but oh well. The easiest person to fool is yourself because we are hardwired in our brain to want to be right, with rewards to ourselves when we find things that help confirm it even if the evidence is not valid. I think the best way to try and avoid the pitfalls is to always back up your claim with something. I've found myself often(!) erasing a response to someone because what I was going to reply didn't have the data that I thought it did and I couldn't show I was correct after I dug a bit to find something.

I almost deleted this for the very reason, but I want to see how it hits. I feel that knowing there's a lot of biases that anyone can fall into can help form better reasoning and argument.

[–] JusticeForPorygon 3 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

What bias would that fall under? One could assume the variation has to do with the average American's trust of law enforcement vs their trust of a qualified person.

(Assuming the repeat experiments were done in the US that is)

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 week ago

but how will other redditors know how smart I am if i dont regurgitate what i read on reddit

[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 week ago (3 children)

What bias is it if the only entry I've read in this table is the one for confirmation bias?

[–] [email protected] 26 points 1 week ago

Confirmation bias bias

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 week ago

Probably... Selection bias?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 week ago

Survivorship bias?

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Actually the reason I order the last item the server mentioned is because of crippling social anxiety

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 week ago

Same for not standing up in the middle of everyone to go out from watching a bad movie in the cinema.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 week ago

For negativity bias my wife just told me a great technique that she uses for that. Come up with a list of people whose opinions matter to you. Any time you question yourself, imagine how each person on that list would react to what you did. Since those are the only people whose opinions matter to you, if it's mostly positive, then you should feel proud of your choice.

[–] Aceticon 10 points 1 week ago (1 children)

What's interesting is how, even when knowing these biases, one has a tendency to often have and display at least some of them.

(At least, that's the case for me)

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Knowing these helps with self-talk. You trip over a curb and start scolding yourself. Then you can say to yourself "this is just spotlight bias", and move on with your day, avoiding the impact of negative emotions. Or, you might be more open to a change in restaurant plans because you know of the false consensus effect. There's subtle but real power in just naming things!

[–] Aceticon 4 points 1 week ago (1 children)

That's a good point.

Ever since I've became more aware of those I've found myself doing similar kind of "disarming" of such falacies when I notice I'm using them.

My point it's that it generally feels like swimming against the current.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 week ago

You're absolutely right there. We're hard wired to think this way and it's a constant battle.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 week ago

I tripped and fell spectacularly walking in a supermarket. I was annoyed that no one helped me up or checked if I was okay (I didn't need help but it made me think less of my fellow man) and that my partner was waiting in the car and didn't witness it, because it was actually really funny.

I left embarrassment in my 20s. Don't have the energy or interest in it now. And I know I'm not the main character - everyone's living their own lives, the impact you make on strangers is minimal. At worst someone said when they got home from the shops 'i saw this chick stack and it was kinda funny'.

Reminding yourself that no one really cares about people that don't know is a helpful way to shut down the negative self talk.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

How to develop the mental discipline to jump to naming the bias in emotional situations like that though??

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 week ago

I'm out here actively going against my biases and selling someone else's house above market value 😤

[–] BowtiesAreCool 6 points 1 week ago

False Consensus Effect and Narcissistic Personality go hand in hand. Can’t tell you the amount of times my narcissistic coworker starts trash talking people I like a hell of a lot more than them assuming I agree.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 week ago (1 children)

What’s the cognitive bias for believing that any given chart is the ULTIMATE CHART. Yes yes, YOUR chart is gospel, the exhaustive definitive final chart 🙄

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Oh ffs it gets worse with the Don’t Forget To Like And Subscribe whine beg plead for internet fart points at the bottom

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 week ago

Ahh negativity bias, my other middle name.

:P

[–] GrammarPolice 5 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 week ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 week ago

Don't listen to the mods, it's authority bias!

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Not really a meme but cool

[–] expatriado 12 points 1 week ago

OP doesn't fall for the bandwagon effect

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 week ago

That’s just, like, your opinion, man.

[–] bran_buckler 3 points 1 week ago

What’s the opposite of the False Consensus Effect, where you feel like no one probably agrees with you?

[–] SomeGuy69 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Availability Heuristic looks out of place. It's pretty much the only bias I have (beside confirmation bias, which is hard to avoid as sneaky it is), but how should one survive in this world without relying on others? Without doing a scientific bias free study on every topic in life, you're unavoidable suffering from that bias. A healthy level would be avoiding making it a rule. I regularly disagree with friends decisions, so maybe I don't have this bias.

[–] Aceticon 2 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

I'd say a lot of those things are the result of cognitive shortcuts.

It kinda makes sense to make a lot if not most decisions by relying of such shortcuts (hands up anybody who whilst not having a skin problem will seek peer-reviewed studies when chosing what kind of soap to buy) because they reduce the time and energy expediture, sometimes massivelly so.

Personally I try to "balance" shortcuts vs actual research (in a day to day sense, rather than Research) by making the research effort I will put into a purchase proportional to the price of the item in question (and also taking in account the downsides of a missjudgement: a cheap bungee-jumping rope is still well worth the research) - I'll invest more or less time into evaluationg it and seeking independent evaluations on it depending on how many days of work it will take to be able to afford it - it's not really worth spending hours researching something worth what you earn in 10 minutes of your work if the only downside is that you lose that money but it's well worth investing days into researching it when you're buying a brand new car or a house.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Is there a "positivity bias" counterpart to "negativity bias"?

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 week ago

I'd argue that's the outcome or survivorship bias, where people focus on the one winner or that time a thing worked and ignoring all the other failures. E.g. people think investors all swim in money because they only see the warren buffets of the world, when in reality there's thousands, millions of people who tried the almost exact same thing and lost some or all of their savings in bad investments.

[–] meliaesc 3 points 1 week ago

Absolutely! It's called the Pollyanna Principle. In fact, there's a counterpart to all of these biases that are immensely helpful in certain types of therapy.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 week ago

I like that this has simple examples, even if imperfect.

[–] Adalast 2 points 1 week ago

Even with the somewhat incorrect examples, I want to print this out and hang it as a poster on my wall.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

I was thinking about one of these earlier talking about Full Metal Alchemist vs FMA: Brotherhood. Everyone I've talked to who liked Brotherhood more, saw it first. Which makes me wonder if I would like it more had I not seen the original first.

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

...Bro, if you walk out of a movie, that's just wasteful, even if it's the shittiest thing you've ever seen.

[–] kopasz7 4 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Yes, but you cut your losses. No need to waste your time too after wasting money on the ticket.

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[–] RememberTheApollo_ 2 points 1 week ago

I’d love to see a list of names for writing devices used by trolls/propagandists thar generate completely false information of varying types. Forced binary choices when a third way is valid or the choices aren’t even related. Most of them are just plain old lies, so I don’t think the list would be too long.

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