They just crossed the line. Very tight race in the end.
The amount of 50.x Vs. 49.x votes lately is too damn high.
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Yeah, given what polls were saying this is shockingly close (65% yes iirc). Russian money down the toilet though so that's something.
BBC saying it'll swing further "yes" from votes yet to be counted thankfully:
Moldovan media said many of the votes yet to be counted had been cast abroad and would likely lean towards Yes, as the Moldovan diaspora is broadly in favour of closer ties with the EU.
Interesting BBC article. At the end, it says:
A BBC producer [at a polling station] heard a woman who had just dropped her ballot in the transparent box ask an election monitor where she would get paid.
Outside, we asked directly whether she had been offered cash to vote and she admitted it without qualms. She was angry that a man who had sent her to the polling station was no longer answering her calls. βHe tricked me!β she said.
She would not reply when asked who she had voted for.
Addition: BBC finds evidence of vote-buying in Moldova [video, 1 min.]
βHe tricked me!β she said.
She would not reply when asked who she had voted for.
I think we know.
The Kremlin tricking people onto voting against their own interests, shocking!
When the Kremlin wants people to vote, this never means anything good.
Other than Brexit, they're usually encouraging people to vote against their own ability to vote.
Stupid enough to not even take the money beforehand. Amazing. But exactly the type of people one needs to target for this.
Buying 300k votes can really swing an election. Honestly, itβs a miracle that it passed with the rampant fraud
Great news for Moldova. Hope the Russian trolls are super pissed.
No indoor toilet 4 u Ivan!
No worries, Putin has that covered. Thanks to a concerted effort a lot of apartments of single men should be freed up in Russia in the next months. Some of them might even have running water.
Oh yes, the "Running Ivan", a modern take on the "Crazy Ivan" (real actually) that instead of detecting subs us supposed to detect and avoid drones.
And frees up appartments. Crazy actually.
Yes for what? Ah, whether they constitutionally want to join the EU.
A BBC producer at a polling station in Transnistria relayed a first-hand account of a woman asking an election monitor where she could be paid the cash offered to her for her vote
Holy shit, Russia....
It was a referendum to make constitutional changes that would allow EU accession.
Not allow for EU accession, the Moldovan government couldβve joined the EU without the referendum. This referendum adds a constitutional requirement for all future Moldovan governments to keep working to join the EU, to basically protect Moldova from being fucked over by a future pro Russian government
Thanks for the clarification.
If you have a proper secret vote, then getting paid cash to vote is not a problem. The election judges just need to tell everyone that it is perfectly moral (a stronger case than just legal) to vote for something and collect the cash for voting against.
It is a secret vote. It's up to the voter to keep it secret.
And also, how is getting paid cash to vote not a problem? It's quite clearly voter manipulation. Are you Russian?
He's saying the hard counter is to tell people the vote is secret. They can vote their way and then tell the person offering cash anything they want to tell them. They are under no moral obligation to tell such criminals the truth.
Elon Musk is finding this out in Arizona and Pennsylvania right now and it's hilarious.
Ah, my bad @bluGill. Misunderstood that.
What's the vote about?
Making EU membership a goal in the Moldovan constitution.
50.3%, that's clooooose.
It's amazing how many big obviously consequential decisions around the world come down to a 50/50 vote lately. Have they perfected propaganda techniques that 49% of people are genetically susceptible to? Or is just that nobody knows what the hell is going on so we all decide completely at random what to believe?
Thereβs probably some truth in βThink of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that.β
Like when people use "average" incorrectly? (You're talking median here.)
Let's hope the upvote/downvote ratio on that comment doesn't stay 50:50.
It would be different without massive Russian interference
One of the things I read about that, is that people tend to take an "average position" between all the opinions they hear. It used to be that the opinions you'd hear would be based on serious media, and your close circles. But much of the media has gone to shit, and social media amplify crazy people because it's good for engagement. So you end up hearing about the crazy position of lore as much as about the rational one. And that does influence a lot of people.
Simulation.
Nice