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Intriguingly, as the date for the airing of the documentary has drawn near, a number of high-value wallets from the "Satoshi era" have become active for the first time since 2009.

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[–] expatriado 114 points 1 month ago (4 children)

extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence

[–] dhork 67 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Not really, all it requires is someone to produce a signed message with one of Satoshi's private keys, which can be easily verified with the public addresses on the blockchain. Whoever produced that message can be proven to possess that private key. Nothing short of that would be believable by the crypto nerds.

If we presume that Satoshi understood that Bitcoin may be valuable one day and kept the keys private, that would mean that the signer really is Satoshi, or one of his associates or heirs Satoshi trusted wih access. Even if that person wasn't actually Satoshi, their word on who it is would be considered authoritative.

Unless it's Craig. Fuck that guy. Nobody believes him.

[–] jungle 67 points 1 month ago (1 children)

That is the extraordinary evidence being referenced.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Ordinary claims require ordinary evidence, then?

[–] jungle 24 points 1 month ago (1 children)

No, because it's an extraordinary claim.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

"Extraordinary" means outside the realm of ordinary. Signing a message is very ordinary

EDIT: Sorry I ment to say: saying "I own a key" is ordinary, and signing a message is the ordinary way to prove you own the key

[–] suigenerix 14 points 1 month ago

Sure, anyone can sign with a key. Having THE key is the extraordinary part.

[–] jungle 10 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Saying you know who Satoshi is, that's the claim, and that's an extraordinary claim.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 month ago (1 children)

"With great claims come great responsibility"

That guy from Spiderman, probably

[–] hakunawazo 9 points 1 month ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Yeah, that's the guy, I think.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 month ago (2 children)

I hate how this phrase has been abused so much. There's nothing particularly extraordinary here--we're not talking about bigfoot or aliens--and the whole point of a documentary like this is to lay out evidence.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago

Ordinary claims!

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago

Most people do not know who Satoshi is.

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[–] TropicalDingdong 91 points 1 month ago (1 children)

They don't know. and the documentary will be bigfoot level speculation.

[–] [email protected] 54 points 1 month ago (1 children)

That's the twist. It was actually ₿igfoot who invented ₿itcoin, don't you see?

[–] Brickhead92 14 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Bigfoot was paid by the Illuminati!

[–] TrueStoryBob 9 points 1 month ago

Exactly what Big Foot wants you to think, all so they can sell more Foot. Wake up sheeple!!!

[–] xodoh74984 32 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Hal Finney, no?

The software engineer, cryptography expert, and cyberpunk who received the first ever Bitcoin transaction and had a neighbor named "Dorian Satoshi Nakamoto"?

[–] nforminvasion 9 points 1 month ago (1 children)
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[–] rsuri 31 points 1 month ago

It's overwhelmingly likely to be someone none of us have ever heard of. If nothing else because that's the base rate. Also because someone nerdy enough to care about this stuff before cryptocurrency existed couldn't possibly have a life.

[–] [email protected] 28 points 1 month ago (4 children)

Did I miss it, or did the article not tell you who it (supposedly) is?

[–] hate2bme 97 points 1 month ago

Well no, it's an ad for the doc.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Guessing this is the one https://www.hbo.com/movies/money-electric-the-bitcoin-mystery
It hasn't released yet it seems, october 8. Though HBO does not seem to claim any of the above, I smell another flop.

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[–] [email protected] 26 points 1 month ago (1 children)

the NSA or other intelligence org invented it and provides ongoing funding to collect an enormous library of SHA256 hashes to aid in reducing the decryption space of SHA256 so they can watch people watching porn.

[–] TrueStoryBob 10 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

That's... that's a Pornhub category right? "Watching people watching porn" has got to be a tab on that site. It's sounds too much like a kink to not be a kink.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago

The NSA has many kinks. Watching people watch porn, precious bodily fluids/anti-flouride porn, that kind of thing. Good for them.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago

The nsa wants to watch people who are watching the pornhub video of someone else watching porn. The third level there is more difficult to find

[–] Crashumbc 23 points 1 month ago

Watch geraldo rivera, as he finds out what's in Capone's safe!

(Yes, I'm old)

[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 month ago (3 children)
[–] [email protected] 28 points 1 month ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 month ago

He's not the Messiah! He's a very naughty boy!

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 month ago

[citation needed]

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 month ago

Are we doing this again?

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 month ago (1 children)

It's truly not even a mystery.

There is only one person on earth who had both the skills and experience to create bitcoin, and actually was working to create bitcoin in the months leading up to the white paper.

That person is Nick Szabo.

[–] dgmib 8 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Oh please.

The evidence for Szabo is circumstantial at best. I’ll give you he has the skills and experience and was working on digital currency at the time.

But Szabo was just one of hundreds of people working on different ideas related to digital currency around the time Bitcoin was released.

And how many hundreds of people developed their own cryptocurrency after getting the idea from the Bitcoin whitepaper? Clearly he not the only “person on earth who had both the skills and experience”.

Not to mention Szabo has repeatedly denied being Satoshi.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago

If it isn't Nick Szabo, it is somebody who has spent years ensuring all clues point to nobody but Nick Szabo, up to and including placing a Satoshi nakamoto statue in a rural Polish town where Nick Szabo's grandfather was born.

Let's just look at this logically: if you had written the 30+ papers building the ideas that eventually became bitcoin, actually were building bitcoin and months away from releasing, and then had all your work stolen without credit nor citation, you wouldn't be the world's biggest supporter of bitcoin. You would be mad that somebody stole your work and then spent years framing you for its creation.

The first usage of the word bitcoin was even on Nick Szabo's own blog, under a comment by the user Eddie. This leads to two outcomes: Eddie is Satoshi, or Nick's work wasn't stolen, bit gold is bitcoin and Nick is Satoshi.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Or it was likely not a single individual, but a government contractor. How else could a compartmentalized secret remain so for this long?

[–] [email protected] 39 points 1 month ago

A single individual is the most likely way to keep a secret compartmentalized.

[–] RememberTheApollo_ 15 points 1 month ago (1 children)

The government sucks at keeping secrets despite what the conspiracy nuts say.

[–] xenomor 3 points 1 month ago
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