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Firefly species may blink out as US seeks to list it as endangered for first time (www.theguardian.com)

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[–] apfelwoiSchoppen 87 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

Turn out the lights y'all, talk to your neighbors about their exterior lighting, call your electric companies and ask them to put diffusers on those bright led street lamps, and talk to your electeds. The night and its creatures deserve their time of day. Climate change is exacerbating everything, but we can try to make it more liveable for the night dwellers.

[–] [email protected] 38 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Also leave portions of your yard undisturbed year round. Leave those leaves in your garden and spray them down with the hose every now and then if they get dry. Also run all those "mosquito control" companies out of town, because they're killing all the insects on all the properties around wherever they spray

[–] [email protected] 30 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Also run all those "mosquito control" companies out of town, because they're killing all the insects on all the properties around wherever they spray

Had a guy knock on my door a few months ago. They were "doing work in the neighborhood" (of course) and offering to treat the yard for carpenter ants. I declined. "It sure would be a shame if your neighbors all got treated and you ended up with an infestation." Buddy, if all you got is movie mob threats, your career in "sales" is going to go about as well as the last dozen things you tried and failed at.

[–] BlitzoTheOisSilent 8 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I had one of those guys come by about 2 months ago, but for windows/siding/roof/solar/gutters. I didn't decline, figured I'd hear the kid out, but he set me up for an appointment the following afternoon.

Second guy was younger than me (I'm 30), and kept using quotes like "I've been doing this a long time," and "In my professional opinion, I really think XYZ." I also got a lecture on "needs versus wants" because I wasn't willing to pay $600+/month for the next 17 years but I had the audacity to own a TV. 🙄 He even took a picture of some "carpenter bees" that were nesting above one of my gutters to try and upsell how seriously this work needed to be done.

He did not like the fact I went outside, checked the spot, and came back to inform him that those were, in fact, wasps, not carpenter bees. And he realized the conversation was over when he finally (about 2.5 hours in) asked me what I do for work, and I told him I'm a general contractor and already knew everything he was telling me, I'm just broke af. 🤷‍♀️

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago

10/10, well done!

[–] whynotzoidberg 7 points 1 month ago

Please share how to run the pesticide and herbicide places out of town. Would love some good options.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago (2 children)

A bigger issue is how people maintain their yards. Lawns are the ecological equivalent of a parking lot. Lawns are terrible for the local species, as are all of the non-native species used in modern landscaping. Once you learn what is actually native and what is not, you'll be completely shocked at how few native species we cultivate.

Another really huge issue is everyone religiously scrubbing their yard of fallen leaves. Leaves need to stay on the ground. They are essentially compost for trees, and tons and tons of bugs lay eggs in fallen leaves, including fireflies.

I quit mowing my lawn and let some native plants grow up in place of grass and stopped eradicating the fallen leaves, and that summer my yard was absolutely lit the fuck up with fireflies.

All of this is currently reversible. We just have to stop buying into stupid capitalist yard maintenance traditions and start working with the native species. It's honestly much less work than trying to make all of these Chinese species that are in everyone's yards work.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago

Fucking nailed it neighbor, well said.

Look into soft landings under your trees, native plants and grasses. If space is limited feel free to target your desired species with their host plants, such as milk weed for monarchs. Don't be afraid to let your fence rows and ditches grow, low traffic areas are great for growing native plants.

[–] apfelwoiSchoppen 5 points 1 month ago

Yeah, I have a native prairie instead of a lawn, even though it is not that big. My city likes to cite native yards, especially in the fall and winter.

I love my yard and the pollinators and vertebrates love it too! Butterflies, bees, birds, bats, fireflies, snakes etc etc. It is good to see them thrive in this little space.

[–] [email protected] 82 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

Man, the death of fireflies is the death of wonder. They were one of the few actual joys of growing up in the countryside.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 month ago

I saw some walking 1 or 2 months ago. I had to stop and watch for a minute because it's been maybe decades sense I've seen them irl. It was by a wooded area, so hopefully they don't knock down those trees anytime soon. We already had some foxes ran out of their home from construction the other direction.

[–] RaoulDook 4 points 1 month ago

I've seen 2 different kinds in my yard this summer: light bluish-white light ones that blink or pulse, and yellow ones that light up and fly in a downwards "J" pattern. For a long time I would only see the lighter blinking ones but then one day I noticed a few of the yellow "J" making ones that I haven't seen in a long time.

But 10-20 years ago the yellow "J" ones were most common and very abundant, and I barely recall seeing any of the lighter bluish blinkers.

[–] [email protected] 40 points 1 month ago (1 children)

It's been years since I've seen them. They used to always come out around this time of year when I was a kid, but it feels so rare to see one anymore.

At an old job I had, there was this garden-like section of this courtyard area people would take smoke breaks in. They had a special breed of grass planted there that seemed to attract the fireflies, and I guess it works because they'd actually show up to that little patch of garden almost year-round. I wish I knew what type of grass it was; I'd totally buy some seeds and do some guerrilla gardening around my apartment complex to bring back some fireflies.

[–] toxic_cloud 6 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Did they have a fountain or pond in the courtyard? We have an above ground pool and are one of the few neighbors with fireflies in our yard. We also have a lot of native flowers though so maybe that helps

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago

There was a pond nearby, but the fireflies would usually gather pretty far from it. I'm pretty sure it was the grass that they were attracted to, but I didn't consider the flowers! There were a few bushes that I recall, though I can't remember what type of flower they actually had. But I do remember them being really pretty in the springtime, but that's not really a helpful description lol.

[–] MehBlah 32 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Stop spaying trees for pests. Stop using crop dusters. Start using modern non chemical methods. During the pandemic they stopped spraying the pine trees around here and the fireflies were nearly as abundant as they were when I was a kid. Now they are back to poisonings us all to save a few trees for profit. As a result they are back to nearly being gone.

[–] cm0002 4 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Start using modern non chemical methods.

Yes! Let's start with targeting human biting species of mosquitos and make them extinct!

[–] MehBlah 2 points 1 month ago

Nah, that wont do anything to help the fireflies recover. Using non chemical machinery in fields will reduce the use of pesticides that are killing the fireflies. I don't care if a few pine trees get beetles. Especially since they can go back to eliminating the trees mechanically and spot spraying instead of dousing it throughout the environment with a helicopter. Lets finish with mosquitos and start saving all the beneficial insects first.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 1 month ago

I love lightning bugs! Luckily I still see a lot of them in my backyard every year. Fewer than there used to be, but still a lot. I really hope they can be saved.

[–] Zerlyna 17 points 1 month ago (3 children)

I remember growing up with them regularly in Florida late 70’s/80’s. Don’t remember seeing them much after that. Then delighted to see them when I was living in Pennsylvania 2010-2020. Im in TN now and saw very few here this summer. Was wondering if it’s the heat?

[–] [email protected] 36 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Also the weird fixation with perfectly manicured lawns with absolutely no debris and no plants touching any other plants.

They like to lay their eggs on leaves and grasses on the ground. Doesn't mix well with lawn mowers and rakes.

I used to mow my parents property, and I would leave about 1/4 acre unmowed on the side, touching the treeline. They had so many fireflies hanging around the tall grass over the summers.

This summer I moved too far to keep mowing, and they don't leave anything, and have been complaining they haven't seen any fireflies all summer.

[–] Zerlyna 14 points 1 month ago

Good point about the tall grasses.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I would leave about 1/4 acre unmowed on the side

If I did that my entire yard would be overgrown, because it's smaller than that lol. I did let the backyard mostly go wild a few years ago, had an interesting mix of native species and invasive. Invasive won by a landslide, even while manually keeping the English ivy in check. Creeping Charlie and purple deadnettle went everywhere. Some areas eroded so much due to lack of turf roots (either outcompeted or succumbed to the combo of early direct light followed by shade most of the day) that it's basically just big baked bald spots. One of these years I'm going to try and figure something out to repair it... just need the intersection of time and money.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago

Lol I don't even have a yard of my own where I live now, and to be fair my parents only have 3/4 total.

The first year I took over lawn maintenance, they had poke weed growing in a 10ft tall forest in basically every space possible, it was the entire summer getting rid of them. Then they had English ivy growing along the base of the house and it was creeping into every crack of the siding and choking out some trees.

Even when trying to let it grow "wild" it's a ton of work...

[–] benignintervention 12 points 1 month ago

I was days from signing to check to remove a couple trees in my yard in Pennsylvania when I stepped out back one night and saw dozens of fireflies in them. I hadn't seen fireflies in years and decided then and there that the trees had to stay.

Also, a note from other comments, I absolutely never rake my leaves

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 month ago

Mother fucker, I told you to put holes in the lid!

[–] RelativeArea0 7 points 1 month ago

Aside from negative nature consequences caused by humans, they also eat themselves....so yea...sad.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 month ago

I am so thankful that I've had the privilege to see them in my backyard the last few years. I take a video every time (although you can barely see anything, I at least can make out the blinks with my brightness all the way up) and cherish it. I hope they can make a strong comeback.

[–] Wiggums 6 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I saw none this year for the first time

[–] Cheems 1 points 1 month ago

I honestly don't remember the last time I did see one

[–] esc27 6 points 1 month ago

A few years ago I saw them in March ( way, way too early). Have not seen a one since.

[–] DirkMcCallahan 5 points 1 month ago

c/collapse

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago

i hear they all moved to Owl City

[–] RememberTheApollo_ 3 points 1 month ago

We had a bumper crop rhis year. Highly unusual. Often it’s hit or miss. Last year was pretty mild. Year before was almost none. We just moved here 4 years ago. I only spot fertilize individual plants. I don’t do “whole lawn”. I don’t clear all leaves, just mulch them in place. I don’t clear the edges so perfectly with the weed trimmer. I never use pesticide.

Makes me wonder if the previous owner did and they’re recovering.

[–] Mobiledecay 2 points 1 month ago

I used to love spreading their entrails all over the sidewalk as a kid. It was so pretty! I'm probably responsible for this. 🤔