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The GOP hold on most of American radio seems pretty unshakable, but Democrats must get into the talk-radio game before ever more damage is done.

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[–] [email protected] 66 points 4 days ago (3 children)

US fascism had been here for decades. Too many people don't recognize fascism because they think fascism will arrive selling oppression and tyranny. If you're part of the privileged group fascism is selling you safety, normalcy, and tradition. (status quo)

[–] UnderpantsWeevil 11 points 3 days ago

The big shift from Truman to Trump has been the number of domestic residents benefiting from our fascist policies. That number is shrinking year after year.

Half a century ago, you could talk to a rising tide carrying all our ships. Did that tide come from blood spilled in Africa, the Middle East, and the Pacific Rim? Sure. But that wasn't our problem.

Now we're seeing the kind of brutal police tactics reserved for Vietnam and Iraq show up in Florida and on the Columbia University campus. We've got paramilitary goons targeting Haitians in Ohio, rather than in Haiti. We're increasingly reliant on prison labor to do the work of historical migrant labor. Our agitation against China isn't generating jobs in the MIC nearly as fast as it's killing jobs in the civilian sector.

If you’re part of the privileged group fascism is selling you safety, normalcy, and tradition.

A big goal of the AI Revolution is to shrink the number of people the Executive tier have to pay in order to keep their positions. And even executive positions are consolidating as businesses merge and buy one another out.

It's terrifying everyone, and Trump is just the guy who figured out how to sell traditional Republican voters a way out. Traditional Republican leaders only know how to preach austerity and justify poverty.

[–] madcaesar 12 points 4 days ago (1 children)

The key point is they are selling BULLSHIT. Even if you are of the right color / party, you are one misstep away from being burned at the stake.

That's what most of these MAGA morons don't realize, they aren't going to be the rulers, they'll be cannon fodder for the 1%, and even part of the 1% IE Muskrat will have to watch their backs.

Fascism benefits no-one in reality... Even the leaders of the movement are constantly watching their backs because their allies are scumbags like themselves.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Going down that dark rabbit hole, I can see how some people might see some benefits.

Entire classes of jobs get reserved for you. All white collar jobs and the better blue collar jobs go to those with the right skin color and genitals.

You get a government provided sex maid to serve you at home. She is less likely to leave you because she less legal and economic options to do so. If she acts up against you, you are allowed to "correct" her.

There is a hierarchy of deference that you are high up on. You may not rank in the 1%, but your word means more than someone of a different gender or ethnicity.

People may be willing to risk their freedom for that elevated position.

[–] madcaesar 9 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Those are all fantasies. Every incarnation of a fascist government has always lead to war, famine and suffering from the regular people.

The fantasy you describe STILL requires cooperation, honestly and trust, which are impossible in a fascist dictatorship.

At best the 1% get a few years of living the high life like Saddam, but sooner or later it all falls in on itself.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Yeah, it is a fantasy. But it is an appealing one to some.

[–] madcaesar 5 points 3 days ago

Sadly you are right

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[–] BrianTheeBiscuiteer 108 points 4 days ago (3 children)

There should be regulation around use of the word "news". Many of these stations call themselves "News Radio" as if they only reported verifiable facts, but well over 50% is opinion.

[–] Makeitstop 38 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Anything presented as news should be kept separate from opinion. If it's news, you should be able to defend it like it was said under oath.

Personally, I would love it if news channels had to distinguish opinion content from news by removing the word news from the screen and replacing it with the word opinion. That or some other clear and unmistakable signal to the audience should be there to establish whether the station is going on record and asserting facts or whether this is some talking head spewing bullshit.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 4 days ago (1 children)

It's crazy that news papers have been doing this forever. You have your news section and opinion and editorial section. TV and radio should definitely follow the format and be clear about what they are presenting.

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[–] [email protected] 21 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Speaking of regulation, their hateful opinions getting such a far reach is a direct result of the telocommunications act of '96

[–] [email protected] 11 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Whilst the act for which you speak definitely accelerated the bullshit, it wasn't peaches and cream back in the day. Just look at the film Citizen Kane a fictitious (and lawsuit resistant) depiction of William Randolph Hearst. In it an exceptionally wealthy business man uses the media to promote his political aims. And to skew narratives outside of strict politics. A man who craves love and adoration but can't reciprocate. Remind you of anyone? I would say Musk's purchase of Twitter fills at least one of those molds, Trump the rest.

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[–] Coach 4 points 3 days ago

The milk and meat industry lost their shit when soy milk companies started calling their product "milk." The same outrage should be spent on these "news" organizations.

[–] [email protected] 76 points 4 days ago (3 children)

Ronald Reagan started the fight to get rid of the Fairness Doctrine.

Back in the Cronkite Era, if a station ran an editorial it had to provide equal time for opposing views.

[–] [email protected] 45 points 4 days ago (2 children)

Rush Limbaugh and his gross career owes its entire existence to that. He is someone who believes that drug dealers and smugglers need to be shot without trial... and he himself was a drug dealer when he was hard for cash.

Tells you a good deal of what kind of person we're dealing with here.

[–] aesthelete 20 points 4 days ago (1 children)

He is someone who believes...

I just want to point out that this dude is dead in case you hadn't heard that piece of good news.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 4 days ago

Oh I know he's dead. Best part is he is so old school that he dies at the age of 70. Which was the life expectancy of that time period.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 4 days ago (2 children)

And Clinton put the final nail in the coffin with the telecom Reform Act.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 days ago

A lot of the worst stuff the us government does tends to be bipartisan. This one was a veto proof majority. We can still be mad he didn't veto, but yeah

[–] [email protected] 7 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Reagan/Bush era lasted 1988 to 1992.

But yeah, let's blame Clinton and ignore the GOP controlled Congress.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

Hold my beer!

-The Telecommunications Act of 1996

[–] Bamboodpanda 10 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Talk radio is essentially a person telling you what to think and feel. It can't even be classified as learning because it's being done to you when you listen. It's a confirmation bias circle jerk. Democrats tend to be educated and educated people usually are repelled by the format.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 days ago (2 children)

I think NPR does a good job providing talk radio type material that isn't repellant to people with critical thinking skills.

Do you consider their offerings substantially different than talk radio?

[–] andros_rex 4 points 3 days ago

NPR usually has a diversity of views and the dialogue isn’t as 24/7 emotional.

I think the big thing with conservative talk radio is that it’s the verbal equivalent of Micheal Bay - 24/7 PAY ATTENTION RIGHT NOW. Think Alex Jones’s incoherent screaming rants as he plays air raid sirens. He does have guests/callers, but any views that he doesn’t agree with will get shouted down. (He has the illusion of disagreement with more explicitly racist guests - he won’t boot you off if you start talking about the Jews, but will pretend he’s a little uncomfortable). But it’s lots of yelling, and THEY ARE TRYING TO CUT YOUR SONS PENIS OFF! Pretty sure that format goes back through Rush to Hicks.

NPR doesn’t really tell you what to think. It comes across as left leaning because the Overton window in the US has been pushed so far to the right that our Democrats have the positions that Republicans did 20 years ago, while our Republican Party is fantasizing about purges. But NPR has calm, reasoned discussions between folks of all political persuasions. You can even hear it in the voices - it’s a common punchline how calm the reporters are.

It’s not the talk format - it’s the content and presentation.

[–] IMongoose 3 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I was forced to endure Rush Limbaugh (I think) while riding with my Dad. That show was just Rush ranting to himself, constructing straw men, then tearing them down over and over again. No real facts, sources, or guests. Just Rush yelling into the mic the entire time spewing garbage.

So ya, it can be a lot different.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 days ago

Same, and I'm sorry. It was Rush Limbaugh and Michael Savage for me. I remember realizing my father was an idiot at an earlier age than I might have otherwise because the arguments those two morons made were obviously so, so bad yet he just ate it all up.

[–] Pantsofmagic 91 points 4 days ago (3 children)

They tried with air America and it was ok but not really all that compelling. Truth and facts just don't sell like toxic divisive fantasies.

[–] Repelle 23 points 4 days ago

Isn’t that how we got the national treasure that is Rachel Maddow?

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[–] [email protected] 37 points 4 days ago (2 children)

Even in Canada. Most talk radio stations are right wing hate BS.

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[–] brygphilomena 23 points 4 days ago

Those that talk the most are usually the ones you should listen to the least.

[–] Tikiporch 17 points 4 days ago (4 children)

No one who wants to hear what the left-of-right has to say listens to talk radio, but everyone who needs to hear it listens to talk radio.

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[–] rf_ 25 points 4 days ago

Go to the top podcast lists and you’ll see that one is also dominated by right-wing personalities too.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 4 days ago (20 children)

US fascism arrived before radio was invented.

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 4 days ago (6 children)

You can literally see the generational technical divide which is not clean.

I'd bet most households /car owners could have their age and political alignments rated solely on a few metrics.

  • Do you watch cable? Do you stream shows? Do you pirate.

  • Do you own a car? Use the radio or Bluetooth? Have a Spotify or YouTube account?

You'd easily see people's politics fit in with where they get their content.

[–] Crashumbc 9 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Car use wouldn't be a good metric in the US (maybe more so in other countries). It's too necessary in most places. But otherwise I agree.

Talk radio is a bastion of old white men. Trying to sway it is a lost cause. The only hope is out lasting their deaths.

If Harris wins I think we have good shot of things moving back towards sanity, especially if she lasts two terms.

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[–] [email protected] 21 points 4 days ago

"Has arrived," as though it hasn't been churning just beneath the surface since the beginning, and succeeding in lifting its filthy maw above the water line many, many times.

[–] Ensign_Crab 3 points 3 days ago

I live in the Rio Grande Valley in Texas. Everything is really spread out here and it's one of the places in the US where you just need a car. Lots of people here commute and a lot of them get their news from radio while driving. People who have the radio on at work will often have it on a talk station.

We had an NPR affiliate, but that went away in 2019. The only people on terrestrial radio in this area talking about current events now are right wing grievance screaming. I've watched this region become more conservative during that time.

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[–] Veneroso 9 points 4 days ago (4 children)

Honestly radio is dying much like television.

Podcasting is the better space to get going.

Also tictoc.

We need to get the young folks of the incel pipeline .

[–] [email protected] 12 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

Podcasting is the better space to get going.

Joe Rogan and other right-wing cranks.

Also tictoc.

A significant part of the rise of fascism in Europe among young people.

Anyway I do like podcasts, and it's full of good content (and so is tiktok presumably) but neither are lacking right-wing content.

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