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Chappell Roan On Why She Hasn't Endorsed Kamala Harris Or Donald Trump For 2024 Presidential Election: "There's Problems On Both Sides" (deadline.com)

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[–] jeffw 18 points 2 months ago (1 children)

One particular issue that Roan would like to be highlighted is “trans rights” adding, “They cannot have cis people making decisions for trans people, period.”

Ok… and you’re telling people to use “critical thinking”? Anybody want to think critically here?

[–] TheCelticPirate 18 points 2 months ago

I love getting old. I don't know who this person is so I get to not care about their opinion.

[–] Jericho_One 4 points 2 months ago (1 children)

More like Dave Chappelle Roan, amirite? 😅

[–] dugmeup 0 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Ahh good that she wants to vote. But it is myopic.

[–] Suavevillain -1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

She didn't say anything wrong. There are issues with both sides, and one side can be worse than another. Vote for what you think it is right. I'm just glad she is really supportive toward causes like Gaza and helps, and won't blindly endorse someone actively endorsed by Dick Cheney and courting republicans.

Harris said she wants to earn support, so I don't understand why her base flies into a rage if people are skeptical over her or can't gloss over issues.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago

As discussion, I'm not her base. But I argue about voting strategy with a Harris conclusion.

I'm deeply unsatisfied with the democratic position on Gaza and beyond. But I'm in the anti trump base. I believe global well being, including in Gaza will be significantly worse if he gets a second term.

I will vote for any competitive, viable candidate that is left of trump, the more left the better. I will not vote for an academic choice that has no chance of winning, and is only a spoiler. Without ejection reform, and something like proportional representation, I believe one should choose based on harm reduction, even if the choice is very unsavory.

[+] return2ozma -15 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

I fucking love her!

Edit: Chappell Roan is donating proceeds to Palestine and told the Whitehouse to fuck off when they tried to pink-wash her.

She’s extremely political and this quote is cherry picked out of context.

She’s criticizing the engine of celebrity endorsement and asking us to engage directly.

[–] JBar2 18 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Which quote is cherry picked? Honestly curious

I'm quite disappointed in her both-sidesism comments. Maybe that approach is defensible in "normal" times, but not when one candidate/party is fascist, authoritarian, anti-democracy, anti-women's rights, anti-trans, anti-LGBTQ+, anti-people of color.

My feeling is that Chappell is effectively supporting that party by not taking a more vocal stand against them, particularly when she has the ability to influence so many young voters whose lives will be impacted for decades by what the extreme right has done in this country, and will further try to do if they win the White House (and/or Congress) again.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago

clearly this alludes to vote dilution by "voting small" meaning left vote gets fragmented. The very sad part is - she is right and people SHOULD vote FOR something rather than against, but system is stacked for political duopoly with a slight preference to the right. In other words it not pragmatic to "vote small" under system where small get ignored and society gets polarized to the point of always voting against. What she should be pushing for is a change of a system, otherwise communities she cares for so much are going to remain political hostages of the left because the right found "the other" they can rally against in them. There are only two rational decisions: remain under current system and support whatever big entity is further to the left or stage a revolution/rebellion forcing system change to allow everyone to "vote small". Silence is not working.

[+] return2ozma -20 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

"there's problems with both sides"

Also, this is great...

Have you seen what Blue MAGA has said about her? It's insane:

https://www.instagram.com/p/DAR64SjuorP/

[–] JBar2 16 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I don't see how the full quote really changes anything.

I fully agree with her position that folks she be informed and engaged in their local politics.

Fully agree with her that people should use critical thinking skills.

But saying both sides have the same amount of problems is a ridiculous false equivalency, and directly threatens the very people she supports. One side is going to make life a living hell (if not outright cause deaths - see: abortion rights for an example) for LGTBQ+ people, for women, and for people of color. There's no "both sides" argument here.

She's within her right to call out the Left for specific issues she disagrees on, but she loses credibility for effectively saying one side is not better than the other in all the areas I've described

[+] return2ozma -15 points 2 months ago (2 children)

The Dems are literally ecstatic over Dick Cheney and other Republicans supporting Kamala. Chappell is an outspoken lesbian and drag queen. Her drag mother is one of the top RuPaul's Drag Race winners.

Here's another drag queen's take on it...

[–] JBar2 10 points 2 months ago

I'm not following what point you're trying to make here.

Kamala Harris' team is going to make known any and all Republicans who support her in an effort to try and convince Independents and Republicans who don't like Trump to get out on Election Day and vote for her, particularly in swing states. That's just smart politicking to try and beat Trump.

I would guess the average Democratic voter hates Dick Cheney but understands that when people as awful as Liz or Dick Cheney actually endorse Harris publicly, it is a clear indication just how dangerousTrump and MAGA really are.

Ona daily basis, Trump and Vance make no attempt to hide their hatred of women, drag queens, gays, lwsnians, immigrants, people of color, etc. While Harris and the Dems defend those groups publicly, legally and politically.

Whether the Left is perfect or not is not the point. MAGA would like to see Chappel Roan censored, disempowered, and possibly imprisoned.

I'm not calling Chapell a centrist, I'm saying she being foolish and failing to exercise her influence. She couldn't instead say "I don't disagree with Harris on A, B, C, but I support her candidacy because of basic human rights, and here's what I would like her to commit to".

Instead, she's failing to help her fans understand what's at stake here, and they may sit on the sidelines come election day

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago (2 children)

And to keep those Republican votes theyve just won they will continue to shift harder to the right to keep them.

Watching liberals cheer on all these Republican endorsements is fuckiing insane. They are cheering in their own party becoming the dominant party for conservatives in the country.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago

A trump win represents a faster and larger right shift, with judicial and electoral erosions, reducing the chance of future progress.

[–] return2ozma -1 points 2 months ago

They will keep shifting right. SMH