I've seen them, they're neat, but are they something you own like a dolly cart or something you rent/borrow when you need it?
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I was born in 1953 and my image of people doing labor like this , based on how we perceived people in low income countries, is of a person whose body was worn out by age 30
to a large extent progress is humans not having to do heavy manual labor
sheesh
Yeah, instead we buy gym memberships and toil away at the gym. Or die of a heart attack by age 45. Progress!
Sheesh.
The majority of cargo bikes, especially those used for deliveries, are electric and don't require manual labor.
Biking is not hard on your body at all. Plenty of people cycle well into their 70s.
even if this were true, it is true only if you have time rest and rejuvenate, and in particular rest after an injury
tht option often not available to people working at lower wage jobs
right ?
tht option often not available to people working at lower wage jobs
Cannot fix the need of stronger unions with cargo bikes for sure
Here in Italy they can have sick days, not an issue usually
yeah, hard physical work basically rejuvenates you... it is the latest secret of celebrities, they all do that instead of botox and spa...
You seem to have missed the point of the article as it in no way was trying to propose more labor for working class people. In many ways it is trying to overcome the oppressive image that you have in your head. To a large extent, these changes are trying to advance human progress by overcoming the crises we find ourselves facing. You were born in 1953? That makes you about 70-71 but your profile says you're 66 years old. That's an odd inconsistency.
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yeah, I lie about my age
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re the 1,000x
if you read the comments in the thread you posted, several people point out this is just ludicrouis
so I"m not quite sure what I should have said to you when you post something that is absurd
seriously, what am I to say ?
I don’t want to silence this discussion because the “worn out bodies” comment is actually useful to be debunked and discussed
But pls read the slrpnk.net rules
There is space to disagree but be more constructive 🤝
Sir you are commenting in the wrong thread and the wrong community. Why do that here? I am not a moderator here. I did read all the comments a month ago when the discussion was current and active. You commented here in a combative way and then specifically went to an older post of mine and told me what "should be obvious to " me without any discussion of why or otherwise adding anything constructive. You received several downvotes and were asked to be more constructive. Instead you've doubled down here and repeated the insult.
Cargo bikes are smaller then vans. So you can get closer to the destination, without having to carry the parcel.
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Are you suffering from an acute case of brain damage?
so, we take something that has the same size as a van,
The footprint of a cargo bike is at most a fourth of your average delivery van
and is at least 10 times slower
Cargo bikes are usually e-bikes, giving them a speed of at least 25 km/h. If you're driving a van at 250 km/h in a city, that's going to put you behind bars.
Baffling levels of ignorance.
The footprint of a cargo bike is at most a fourth of your average delivery van
yeah, no. the cargo bike needs width of a car lane and its not four times shorter. it will actually add to congestion when every car behind it has to change lane to go around.
maybe you have some really generous bike lanes somewhere, but they don't lead to home of every one of your potential customer and, surprise, they also take a space.
Cargo bikes are usually e-bikes, giving them a speed of at least 25 km/h.
that's top speed. top speed of the car is somewhere else. and the average speed for both of them is somewhere else and if you believe that average speed of a bike is going to be in the same category as average speed of the car, then go, fly back to other pigeons and tell them you won.
cargo bike is not efficient alternative to a car, because it is far slower and has much lower capacity than the car, so you will deliver less cargo in longer time. or same cargo in same time using a LOT MORE bikes.
that doesn’t mean and i never said they don’t have its use-cases, but claiming it will solve the traffic congestion is wild exaggeration.
If anything, electric bikes and scooters tend to get around FASTER than cars in European city centers
yes, that may be true in specific circumstances.
if they can fit in between two cars, waiting on light stop, they can get ahead of them. that maybe true in traffic jam in city center.
this advantage goes away once:
- you are outside of traffic jam hour
- you are outside of traffic jam area (out of city center)
- you are driving cargo bike that does not allow you to squeeze in between two cars.
so not really useful for discussion about cargo bikes, is it?
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found that cargo bikes not only deliver faster than vans
that must have been some seriously specific circumstances.
Specific as being in an European city.
Not enough space for stopped vans everywhere.
and where do the bikes stop if there is not enough space?
Indoors, mostly. Garages underground that can either house 20–30 cars or literal thousands of bikes. Cargo bikes can stop on sidewalks since they don't block foot traffic as much as a whole van would.
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which cargo bike model has the same or better capacity as the van per footprint per time spent on the road?
Cargo bikes don't need roads.
you might be thinking about airplanes.
Ah, the oil Barrons had an AI bot made to drum up arguments & get data from defenders.
Still talks like a twat.
this is lame, mod.
just because you don't agree with post doesn't mean it is not useful for discussion. are you so afraid of any kind of opposition?
I disagree with the mod's decision, but for a different reason. Your ignorance should be on full display for everyone to see.