The russian army is entirely bound in its invasion into Ukraine. If it weren't for the threat of nuclear annihilation, NATO would get to Moscow within 3 days. A true 3-day military operation.
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No, no, don't worry, they still have their secondary army of sad conscripts (poor people only, don't worry) who are ritually tortured for a year as a rite of adulthood.
I'm pretty sure that's the army they're using at the moment, I remember seeing news stories of elderly Farmers being conscripted over a year ago
There's a second, even-sadder army behind that one. In the Donbass, (previously? Not sure how it is now) legally distinct from Russia itself, they were just mass-conscripting people for the meat grinder. The actual Russian citizens in Ukraine, though, are overwhelmingly volunteers (and overwhelmingly impoverished ethnic minorities) who were bribed or tortured during their rite of adulthood until they said "Dying in Ukraine is better than this" and 'voluntarily' signed a service contract.
third times the charm right?
Implying western countries never invaded Moscow or something? Poland held it for a year, russians made it a national holiday when they finally got it back.
Too bad Poland didn't stay
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Is anyone, anywhere in the West afraid of this happening?
It might just be time to shut them the fuck up for good.
They won't shut up they'll give warnings each time something comes along. They switched their nonsense from "red lines" to "open war" because that sells better to fearmongers. In reality, Ukraine has shown in Kursk how much the red lines mean - that is fuckall. Biden just needs to stop being a pussy and say yes.
I'm slightly worried about the really big guns russia supposedly have, but only slightly. At this point, it's not like there's a big red "launch" button on putin's desk; it'd have to go through a few people that may have the actual big picture in their mind.
We bought those people off decades ago, all their yachts, townhouses and other decent shit is as far from Russia as possible.
But if they see they can back us down and let them invade a country by waving nukes, they will be greatly encouraged to do so again, the cost/benefit ratio is far too high, they're getting something for literally nothing.
This is exactly how world wars start.
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Maybe the word "directly" didn't translate well. If Russia engages NATO directly, their forces will be wiped off the map. Ukraine is using old NATO equipment from the 90s that was pulled out of storage and kicking all kinds of Russian ass. Direct NATO involvement would mean carrier groups, F35s, stealth bombers, and a whole lot of other fun things the Russians have zero answer for.
Okay. Send in Poland to end the war. They'll be thrilled, I'm sure.
At this point, I think Estonia could do it alone.
I know some Estonians, they could do it while black out drunk
Easy loophole. Tell Eastern European countries they can do whatever the hell they want. I think several have a score to settle with Russia.
But seriously if Putin would prefer to not have deep strikes into Russia, then maybe we could meet him halfway -- send a NATO coalition to Ukraine and steamroll Russia out. Including from Crimea.
Good, fuck you Putin.
So he's currently struggling against just Ukraine but he's warning us that he could end up facing the whole of NATO?
Ok 👍
Didn't he already repeatedly claim that he's fighting directly with the West?
Even in his own words what would this change?
Do eeeitttt. Russia is already invaded by Ukraine with no direct participation of NATO. Let's see how they do against actual NATO planes, tanks, ships and soldiers.
Bring it you ruskie coward.
But answer me this: is Russia allowed to use long-range missiles?
Yes and so is Ukraine.
The issue was whether Ukraine using externally supplied long range missiles counted as escalation. Which is a non-issue since Russia is using externally supplied (from Iran and NK) long range missiles - they already escalated it.
Give to them by their allies?
Yes.
But using them long range?
Also yes.
On civilian targets?
Well actually yes too.
Just give the Ukrainians the needs to erase the existance of russian army inside its borders ffs (so including long range strikes inside all of russia).
I can understand how the guidance systems being still controlled by NATO satellites/support mechanisms would be considered a different level for them, but is it just more sabre rattling? That's the question.
Yes, this is just more saber rattling.
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