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[–] [email protected] 143 points 2 weeks ago (11 children)

And the corporate supporters told us the petition was pointless 🀑

[–] [email protected] 59 points 2 weeks ago

Never listen to those fucking asses.

[–] tfw_no_toiletpaper 32 points 2 weeks ago (5 children)

The pirate something guy was the only one I saw and he's a fraud anyway

[–] [email protected] 25 points 2 weeks ago

Guy had Pierre Poilierve energy. Acting like the free market is perfect and that corporations will never screw people over and that by holding them accountable games will become unprofitable to make and that would the end of the game industry /s

[–] Voyajer 13 points 2 weeks ago

Him, ThePrimeagen, and Theo Browne were the biggest ones I saw, with various levels of bad arguments.

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[–] absquatulate 14 points 2 weeks ago

Sadly I doubt this was thanks to the petition itself. More likely ubi is trying to claw back some goodwill ( and make some cash too, by promoting the title that was full of mtx instead of the retired one ). They've also done this offline fix thing in the past ( with anno 2070 for one ) and also after a healthy dose of player backlash.

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[–] [email protected] 69 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

I want Crew 1 offline more than the others because it has an actual single player campaign.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 2 weeks ago

Looks like Ubisoft didn't get enough pressure.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

While Ubisoft likely isn't going to make that happen, some dedicated fans are working on it

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 weeks ago

Yeah been keeping eye on it and they've been making good progress with some of the story being playable already.

[–] wreckedcarzz 3 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Well, and because 2 is fucking abysmal as a game. The starter car shouldn't feel like it's on rails regardless of speed, mostly - it's a fucking racing game, get it right. (modern nfs is in the corner giggling but that piece of shit is always trying to force me to drift, again with an un-upgraded starter car with like 150hp, so it's no better)

I was a closed beta tester for 1 and 2, and was very excited for both, but going from 1 to 2 is a huge step backwards in handling alone. Whereas I pre-ordered 1 and got several others to as well, I told everyone I know to avoid 2, bought it on sale a while after launch, was immediately disappointed they never addressed this, and it sits with... 13 hours on the clock. As a reference, I have 4,048 hours played in Forza Horizon 5.

I have no idea how they fucked up so badly. It's a travesty.

(I play with keyboard/mouse out of preference but also because of physical disabilities, so while I /could/ use a controller and maybe mitigate this, grab a controller and try playing with one hand, see how great that experience is x_x) .

[–] poolhelmetinstrument 2 points 2 weeks ago

I haven’t even played my copy of The Crew. Seems like now I won’t ever be able to.

[–] yamanii 45 points 2 weeks ago

It's amazing how companies only do things after a "gobernment" scare, the fight does not stop, this isn't just about The Crew, it's about every game that won't work without internet.

[–] Etterra 41 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Wow who would have thought that single player games were a good thing. Oh wait I did. And so did lots of other people.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

You worded it incorrectly. It should be any single player game that requires online to start to game should be fined. They can have multiplayer option. But single player should be able to be played even offline.

[–] thermal_shock 3 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)
[–] ouch 9 points 2 weeks ago

Pirates are doing God's work of preserving the digital arts. Heroes every one of them.

[–] anonymous111 26 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I thought I'd see this and was surprised not to.

Please proselytize your EU brethren. Signing this Citizen's Initiative is the best chance to fix the dead games issue globally.

https://www.stopkillinggames.com/

The guy behind it has a lot of videos explaining the logic. Here is the short version (1 min vid):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pHGfqef-IqQ

Call to arms!

[–] aksdb 8 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

While I like and appreciate the campaign, the issue IMO is bigger. IoT devices for example even have environmental impact when services behind them get discontinued.

I would therefore like a more general rule: whenever a product is discontinued for whatever reason, all necessary documents, sources, etc need to be released to allow third parties to take over maintenance (that also includes schematics for hardware repairs).

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 weeks ago

I think many people who are responsible for pushing the campaign forward would agree it's a much bigger issue. It's just that the bigger issue is big enough that there are multiple fronts one could fight on, and this is a politically useful opportunity to push forward. A victory from this campaign will be unlikely to lead to the larger developments without more of a fight, because achieving the general rule will take a few instances of arguing the specific case.

For now, I'm excited to see where this leads, even if the answer might be "nowhere"

[–] anonymous111 3 points 2 weeks ago

Remember that perfect is the enemy of good.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

I really hope that something gets done about games not being playable anymore. This is really important for the sake of our hobby and clearly not acceptable.

I could understand how multiplayer games would be harder to maintain 20 years after their release, but there is no excuse for solo games.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

Who preserves historical artwork? Who makes sure it is available for all to enjoy?

I think governments and nonprofits (like museums) need to consider that archival of an interactive artwork means allowing it to continue being accessible and interactive. That'd be the real preservation.

Laws that say if you create something like this and it reaches some metric, then you are required to turn over all resources regarding it to open source public consumption once you are done actively maintaining it.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Art restoration is actually sort of similar to cracking games. (A difference being those games are still protected by copyright so it's technically illegal.)

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Going by US laws (life + 70 years), all of Picasso's art is all still copyright protected in the US until 2043, so it's even less of a difference than you may realize.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I don't know where the line is because with art restoration you're actually modifying a physical object. I guess a better comparison would be modifying an arcade cabinet or something.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 weeks ago

It's not the most robust analogy, but I actually really like your comparison to painting restoration; to do it well, one must understand the techniques and materials used in the original (even stuff below the visible surface).

Not a lawyer, but I think the original work is still copyrighted, and that restoration wouldn't (or certainly shouldn't) constitute a new artwork. Though now I'm wondering about that terrible Jesus painting restoration from a few years back β€” it's certainly different from the original, and whilst it might not seem reasonable to call it a new piece of "art", it's certainly inspired a great many people(to make memes)

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 weeks ago

Wouldn't be surprised if stop servicing/selling a game came with a tax write-off (small due to deprecation). If that were the case, I strongly believe they should, at least, release the server and remove all DRM. Let the community make it work again.

[–] bigmclargehuge 3 points 2 weeks ago

Whats funny is that most 20 year old multiplayer games today (at least on PC) are still perfectly playable because the server tech was given to the community, at launch. Battlefield 2 hasn't been available for purchase anywhere officially in well over a decade, there's still a dedicated, albiet small community.

I understand that with large, persistent worlds, it's hard to release that server tech, but at least some form of it should be published. Ie, a smaller variant that maybe just lets a couple people join up as a co-op party, rather than dozens of people running around a large map at random, like in The Crew.

[–] thermal_shock 1 points 2 weeks ago

even for MP, allow people to host their own. not hard, even Minecraft offers it lol

[–] [email protected] 20 points 2 weeks ago

Hey, it's not nothing! A small step towards to the right direction

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[–] scripthook 8 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

This is why I got a PS3. Most games run off disc. One update no more than 60GB and hundreds of offline games. I hate online play

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Same. And you can also purchase old gems for a really low price πŸ˜…

[–] scripthook 2 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

Yes I returned my ps4 at a vintage game store that died under warranty and traded in my games and I got a ps3 along with 13 titles. Most games were $5

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 week ago

this is why i aint getting the crew 2 its discounted but NEVER

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